Time to admit defeat with this game?

[Panzergranate]

Well I've finally mastered flying the Fw-190 A5 on simulator. (Controls set to 100% and lots of practice to familiarise myself with the foilbles and unstabilty of the bloody thing).

I was involved in a series of X-Box 360 BOP with one side flying P-47s and the other Fw-190s of various grades.

I managed one kill (aimed and blew off a wingtip on a P-47), clipped a tree with a wing whilst chasing another, was shot down twice and watched Wizzard spin out of control in his P-51 B after I scored only 5 hits on the tail / fuselage from 200 yards. I didn't score that one and wasn't able to take aim at him otherwise I would have stuffed it too.

For a 12 player game it was a lot of fun.

As for COD.... after COD 3 it was dumbed down, made easier on story mode, filled with carappy gimmics and aimed at kids. There are still big games on every night on COD 3 with Buell 37 hosting. The common age of the players is over 30 and several women play too.

I think that BOP will still have folks, who are into WW2 aviation, still playing it in 2 years time.

On the lack of players on the PS 3 just reflects on the lack of interest in Sony with looking after their Playstation online gaming system. Nobody oversees or polices it weed out dickheads and assholes, etc.

The X-Box Live, is the direct opposite of this and is both maintains, overseen and policed.... but then again Microsoft has vastly more money to spend than Sony.

All this makes the X-Box 360 vastly more popular than the Playstation 3 so there are more folks found to play against on the X-Box than the Playstation.

X-Box is the modern Sinclair Spectrum here in the UK and X-Box games dominate the shelves of Gamestation and Game franchise shops.

We mustn't forget all those loosers and unfortunates who have a Wii, which is aimed at Kintergarten aged players, Politically Correct households, those who like uninspiring, tedious and lame games, etc.

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

Well I've finally mastered flying the Fw-190 A5 on simulator. (Controls set to 100% and lots of practice to familiarise myself with the foilbles and unstabilty of the bloody thing).

I was involved in a series of X-Box 360 BOP with one side flying P-47s and the other Fw-190s of various grades.

I managed one kill (aimed and blew off a wingtip on a P-47), clipped a tree with a wing whilst chasing another, was shot down twice and watched Wizzard spin out of control in his P-51 B after I scored only 5 hits on the tail / fuselage from 200 yards. I didn't score that one and wasn't able to take aim at him otherwise I would have stuffed it too.

For a 12 player game it was a lot of fun.

As for COD.... after COD 3 it was dumbed down, made easier on story mode, filled with carappy gimmics and aimed at kids. There are still big games on every night on COD 3 with Buell 37 hosting. The common age of the players is over 30 and several women play too.

I think that BOP will still have folks, who are into WW2 aviation, still playing it in 2 years time.

On the lack of players on the PS 3 just reflects on the lack of interest in Sony with looking after their Playstation online gaming system. Nobody oversees or polices it weed out dickheads and assholes, etc.

The X-Box Live, is the direct opposite of this and is both maintains, overseen and policed.... but then again Microsoft has vastly more money to spend than Sony.

All this makes the X-Box 360 vastly more popular than the Playstation 3 so there are more folks found to play against on the X-Box than the Playstation.

X-Box is the modern Sinclair Spectrum here in the UK and X-Box games dominate the shelves of Gamestation and Game franchise shops.

We mustn't forget all those loosers and unfortunates who have a Wii, which is aimed at Kintergarten aged players, Politically Correct households, those who like uninspiring, tedious and lame games, etc.

mate are you even posting on the same planet as the rest of us ???

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by dazz1971

mate are you even posting on the same planet as the rest of us ???

No way man. We like going off on weird tangents, that go no where for the discussion at hand. lol

[Panzergranate]

Yes I am stuck on the sam carppy planet as the rest of you. Having an X-Box makes it a bit more tollerable.

So the BOP game has issues but there are other games with bigger issues.

Flash Point has numerous bugs but the designers state that they are working to resolve them.... and some of these are major spurious bugs. (Magic Magazine, Invisible Gun, Bullet Proof Bot, Repair Glitch, etc.)

Back to BOP and the bugs are becoming well known and familiar with those who play the game. The thing is, where the creator of FP want players to let them know the bugs as they find them, who at 1C is asking for a list of bugs from players??

Furthermore, the inconsistancies between the same aircraft types in PC and MAC IL-2 titles and IL-2 BOP is so different so as to appear that certain aircraft are totally crap in combat when historically they we'ren't smack of someone deliberately sabotaging them via the flight models used in BOP.

Many of my friends who play BOP online have mentioned that the game appears to have some aircraft "sabotaged" and I tend to agree.

Basically the Fw-190 A5, Fw-190 F8, Fw-190 D9, P-51 B, P-51 D5 and Bf-110 C4 do not fly as they do in other IL-2 games or on other sims I've played over the years. Also they do not fly or perform the same as their real life counterparts.

P-51 Builder builds and flys real P-51 Mustangs so his opinon of the inaacurate way the BOP P-51 flies is gospel.

Conversely all the other aircraft fly exactly as they did in real life and as still flying examples do.

The big question is why were the above listed aircraft sabotaged in BOP, by whom and what was the motive behind this.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

Yes I am stuck on the sam carppy planet as the rest of you. Having an X-Box makes it a bit more tollerable.

So the BOP game has issues but there are other games with bigger issues.

Flash Point has numerous bugs but the designers state that they are working to resolve them.... and some of these are major spurious bugs. (Magic Magazine, Invisible Gun, Bullet Proof Bot, Repair Glitch, etc.)

Back to BOP and the bugs are becoming well known and familiar with those who play the game. The thing is, where the creator of FP want players to let them know the bugs as they find them, who at 1C is asking for a list of bugs from players??

Furthermore, the inconsistancies between the same aircraft types in PC and MAC IL-2 titles and IL-2 BOP is so different so as to appear that certain aircraft are totally crap in combat when historically they we'ren't smack of someone deliberately sabotaging them via the flight models used in BOP.

Many of my friends who play BOP online have mentioned that the game appears to have some aircraft "sabotaged" and I tend to agree.

Basically the Fw-190 A5, Fw-190 F8, Fw-190 D9, P-51 B, P-51 D5 and Bf-110 C4 do not fly as they do in other IL-2 games or on other sims I've played over the years. Also they do not fly or perform the same as their real life counterparts.

P-51 Builder builds and flys real P-51 Mustangs so his opinon of the inaacurate way the BOP P-51 flies is gospel.

Conversely all the other aircraft fly exactly as they did in real life and as still flying examples do.

The big question is why were the above listed aircraft sabotaged in BOP, by whom and what was the motive behind this.

Easy space cadet, your a little off here.

Theirs now way you can compare identical planes from different console games and expect them to fly the same, it just doesnt work that way, no matter how much we want it to.

So the P51/FW190/BF110 are screwed....so what! relax, the patch will fix it. They might not fly the way your note pad says they should, but they will be a damn sight better than what they currently are. Remember mate, its just a game.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Easy space cadet, your a little off here.

Theirs now way you can compare identical planes from different console games and expect them to fly the same, it just doesnt work that way, no matter how much we want it to.

So the P51/FW190/BF110 are screwed....so what! relax, the patch will fix it. They might not fly the way your note pad says they should, but they will be a damn sight better than what they currently are. Remember mate, its just a game.

LOL

anyway, I do hope they get the patch out soon. But I'm not worrying about it or freaking. (Not because I only fly Soviet Planes, I do fly the 109s and Spit MkIX, so take that you haters ) I don't think the screw up was intentional, but if it was. We can only blame the publishers who rushed the project. So I say for shame, on all the publisher guys/ladies who rushed BOP without consideration.

[Panzergranate]

The thing is that sim aircraft modellers do have the exact same reference data to design their versions of aircraft with.

Aircraft speeds are consistant from book to book, website to website, as are ceilings, turning circles, roll and pitch rates, armaments etc.

Therefore if aircraft (A) can turn inside aircraft (B) in real life and this is found to be the case in numerous other sims over the decades, why not question that when (B) can turn inside (A) in one particular sim, something is not wrong??

In every WW2 sim I've ever played, the Hurricane II will tunr inside a Spitfire, bith will turn inside a Bf-109 and the Fw-190 will turn inside the all of them except the Hurricane. The Bf-110 will outclimb all but the Fw-190 and the P-51 is damned fast, like a winged sports car, though not as maneuverable as a Spitfiire but bloody close.

The Fw-190 out perfoms the Bf-109 and Spitfire IX in all other sims, down the years, and this it did in real life too, otherwise what was the point of its existance??

In relationship to other contemporaries in a sim, an histiorical aircraft can be precisely bracketed so as to relate to other simulated aircraft, in that particular simulation, in the same ratio and proportions relating to its abilities.

For instance a Zero should always climb fast, dive slow, have a higher than average roll and pitch rate below 200 MPH and take hits like it was made of Balsa Wood and Tinfoil.

All sims have always portrayed the Zero according to this ideal and this is what players expect to experience if they fly a Zero in a sim on anything.

The thing is that the screw up with the flight models shouldn't have been in the flight models of the affected aircraft to begin with. Didn't anybody bother to check and verify the errors during beta testing??

A patch for something that shouldn't have happened is akin to bolting the stable door long after the horse has bolted, like several months after the horse has bolted.

[Doktorwzzerd]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

I managed one kill (aimed and blew off a wingtip on a P-47), clipped a tree with a wing whilst chasing another, was shot down twice and watched Wizzard spin out of control in his P-51 B after I scored only 5 hits on the tail / fuselage from 200 yards. I didn't score that one and wasn't able to take aim at him otherwise I would have stuffed it too.

hey you try to break turn and barrel roll on a chopped throttle at tree top level in a P-51B and see if you don't spin out too! This is another example of why both the crash/kill system and 51 needs to get fixed ASAP!

Those games were pretty fun BTW, the 360 has been really good, but you have to do it all through creating servers and friends lists, if you just go through the game's search you get nada.

[FOZ_1983]

In all fairness the P51 shouldnt be fighting down low, its not where its at its strongest.

[Doktorwzzerd]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

In all fairness the P51 shouldnt be fighting down low, its not where its at its strongest.

sh!t happens?

also 99.999% of dogfights on MP happen below 5000ft, there ain't much choice.