Friday 2009-10-23 Screenshots Update discussion thread

[jctrnacty]

I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Going a bit off-topic, is DX 11 already out, and what's actually that different between it and older versions?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by jctrnacty

I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics

[Lemmi]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Considering the possibilities especially of DX10 and 11, this is the better choice to make full use of modern hardware. As I and some other people posted before, some things are also a lot easier to accomplish under DX. DX10 and 11 have native support of multiple CPUs and GPUs and can also render more efficiently to multiple-monitor-setups than the simple desktop spreading of XP. Of course you can do the same under OpenGL, but it's simply more work, which means precious time that can now be used for more important tasks.

But this means i have to switch to vista or 7, (which is probably the same except for DX) and this is a big MINUS for me.

[zapatista]

Hi Oleg,

thx for the new screenshots, it's great to see the work in progress

the spitfire cockpit looks amazing !!

this shot interests me the most, with a low flying aircraft looking down at a road (altitude +/- 250 meters ?)
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/grab0126.jpg

in real life from a small aircraft at 1500 meters above an open road you can still see individual cars clearly standing out as moving or stationary object on the open road. this is historically what ww2 pilots reports they used in hunting for ground targets, and anybody in real life can easily confirm this by flying in a small aircraft over a road (as i am sure you have many times)

in il2 this has sadly been a big weakness, and you have to be at +/- 250 meters altitude to have a hope of spotting a truck or tank. this means you have to fly MUCH lower and slower then in real life to spot or track your ground targets (giving you much less visibility to the sector you cover, and more vulnerable to ground fire)

could you PLEASE keep this in mind with BoB as you finalize the tank/truck distant LoD models, and compensate for a flat 2D pc screen trying to model a distant 3D object by making these smallest LoD models stand out more against the background textures (instead of blending in to much) ?

the new ground vehicles look great in closeup right now, but we will need to be able to see them from 1200 to 1500 meters to

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Lemmi

But this means i have to switch to vista or 7, (which is probably the same except for DX) and this is a big MINUS for me.

If you want to benefit from multiple cores you have to do that anyway.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

My questios would be:

1) All the trees will be collidable?

2) Seccond the question about seeing the hull of a ship below the waterline, or a submarin close to the surface?. It would be cool to be able to have partial sunken ships near the shores, with most of the ship below the waterline.

3) The drums. Are they individual drums put together or a single object all together?. Would they explode, burn when shot or bombed?
Or even thrown away if a bomb falls and explodes near by? Physics engine i'm asking here? Something like we see on todays FPS.

4) Great model of the engish fuel truck. Is there a similar model with the hose deployed to put them near an aircraft and make it look like its chargin fuel?. I know this is too much

5) Finally some serious smoke column on the 0147 pic , not the classic thin cigarret smoke column we are all get used to on out beloved simulators

6) Something that seems nobody notice? We have CURVES ON ROADS
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/grab0126.jpg

Is this mean no more of the old angular "elbows" on the roads like we have on il-2?
Also we will be able to have moving vehicles inside the forest?

7) A wish for an update comment. Will there be more complex damage model on bridges?. Not just one bomb near by and bye bye bridge?

Looking foward to the next update .

I hope you don't mind, but I think I remember answers to a few of these:

2) Underwater will be modelled (ongoing jokes about Oleg doing a diving photography sim aside)

3) An interview a year or so ago reported tests of the physics engine which showed barrels being blown by a shockwave and bouncing off a wire fence. However, if you look closely the two nine barrel packets have identical rotations for the barrels - so they are placed as a single object at least. My guess is that the engine has more capabilities than we will see (or have the processing power to run) in the initial release. Maybe, Luthier or Oleg could drop a hint?

6) Yes, curved roads (and railroads) have been confirmed for a couple of years. Oleg, is also using a new system that encodes some information for the AI as part of the texture map pixels - so tanks will be able to know how to go between trees and head down those little English footpaths (possible in theory at least).

As for the others, I have no idea. I've heard the some larger ground objects will have more than two damage states but that most buildings will be simplified considerably when compared to vehicles. I for one would love to see a more advanced damage model for bridges, trains and ships.

It would make a good update. Fingers crossed

[JVM]

Hello Oleg!

Thanks for this much expected update!

I loves everything in it knowing that it is by no means final...however I am (just) a bit worried:
Some of the cloud renditions are beautiful mainly by virtue of lighting and certain nice cloud shapes use (central part of 130) but as far as images 101, 111, 116 & 131 are concerned am I mistaken or are we still in the IL2-type last generation clouds?

I am too much of a RL pilot not to be overly sensitive to and knowledgeable about the cloud shapes, textures and sheer beauty...
No simulation so far has ever been able to render proper clouds, of which bases are most often flat and shapes very sharply defined and complex from afar and becoming fuzzy on closing range...The clouds shown are OK on the last criteria, completely wrong on the first (cotton ball effect against cauliflower effect to summarize drastically)!

I am absolutely persuaded you know very well about this and I just would like to be confirmed that the cloud/weather part is the one visuals-related topic you will want to keep veiled until very late in order to blow everyone (and RL pilots, and FSX simmers, and...and...!) out!

Thanks again you and your team for your work!

JV Masset

[zakkandrachoff]

someone know how is the link to the Oleg full gallery?


is in http://forums.games.1c.ru/ buth i dont know russian languaje.
i junt want see a little more. nothing more...

[mazex]

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff

someone know how is the link to the Oleg full gallery?


is in http://forums.games.1c.ru/ buth i dont know russian languaje.
i junt want see a little more. nothing more...

Nice find! This image is better than any of the ones posted here! Me like!

A nice thing while reading stuff into this image, there must be a plane behind him firing as the damage seems to have occurred in the air (viewing the messages about damage and time compression etc)... They are at least firing on each other in the air then, and damage occurs to different sub systems like it should...

/Mazex