Finally I can put my MSFFB2 in the cellar! G940 godness...

[nearmiss]

Am not going to wet my pants over this one. I've got a recently purchased new Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse that cost $120+ and it doesn't work. I remember trying to remove logitech mouse drivers from my system and couldn't get an answer from LT and finally just left them on the system. I would be very suspicious of Logitech support. I don't mean now when they first introduce the product. I mean after the stick has had all it's initial marketing hype exhausted.

One biggy sales point for LT is the forcefeedback. I used A MSFT FF2 stick for ages and it was the best. My only complaint was the stick bouncing around took me off targets often, a real help to my enemies online. Got my chops busted regularly until I eliminated the FF from the guns, as best I recall. The FF did add to the immersive feel of the sim, but the buttkicker does as well. I always laughed about going on line getting my buttkicked.

It is great you are excited about your purchase, but the proof will be in the service you get. My CH hotas is going strong. I just added a MFP to it and plan to order an additional set of keys and face plate next week.

The CHproducts is a winner (but NOT forcefeedback). Rugged equipment and terrific software. The CH forums has some very sharp people responding to support issues and they take care of business.

I don't think of CHproducts as the big gun by any means because they are a bit backwards... marketing wise. The equipment has a few L.E.D. lights, but they are very understated. So, from a gamer viewpoint they don't add to the excitement of the game. It's just that the CH hotas does the job expected everytime.

CHproducts are a true value for the money, because the quality is commercial grade. They make a large array of commercial joysticks and controllers for industry. I think it is probably a miracle they are still messing with gamers. We are a royal pain in the wazoo for the most part, demanding support.

I'm not knocking your product purchase. I'm just saying all that glitters may not be gold, but it will be tested within the next year. So, making an expensive purchase like this should be planned to make a best decision. I bought my CHProducts setup a piece at a time, there was no mystic after the first purchase I knew exactly what I was getting with each new item purchased. I have never regretted a single CHProduct purchase, so far.

One problem we all have is wanting to do things better, it goes with the game and the things we use to do the game. Yet, we must use our intelligence to know that our expectations cannot necessarily be fixed by something new that is presented as the "Hotas Holy Grail".

Go for it if you are convinced, but don't overlook other proven choices is my point.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The CHproducts is a winner (but NOT forcefeedback). Rugged equipment and terrific software. The CH forums has some very sharp people responding to support issues and they take care of business.

Bought my first CH Stick for my trusty old 386DX-16 in 1989 for playing "Their Finest Hour", "Red Baron", "Fighter Bomber" and other high fidelity PC sims so I sure know how to appreciate CH stuff... Had two CH sticks during the years but both have been worn out, as opposed to my MSFFB2...

As I'm off topic now thinking about the old games I played on the PC back then, I found this site while writing this post with abandonware (download the open source app dosbox to be able to run them on a modern PC - http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1):

http://www.xtcabandonware.com/index....85&type=Flight

Just downloaded and played F29 Retaliator that was the first PC flight "simulator" that I played on multiplayer in 1991 - on a serial cable. Damn it was fun. It has no FM or realism at all, but the missions where real fun on multiplayer. A simple idea that is great for two player multi:

You started in the air and both got the same target "Tank in E5" or something. You then got point for killing that target. If you focused on shooting down the other player you got no points, but you only had 5 planes to you could win on points after some time period or "elimination" after the 5 planes where out. Wery much like your every day IL2 server running GC2 The fun (and non realistic) part was that both had the same target... Could be fun for IL2 too actually.

Played some SWOTL too while writing this - amazing that I thought it was so beautiful

Back to waiting for news then...

Edit: Found Aces over Europe that is one of the games I've spent most time with in those days as abandonware too:

http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/15...er+Europe.html

Works great in dosbox. Gotta go back for some channel fighting!

/Mazex