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Old 10-09-2009, 01:00 AM
Brain32 Brain32 is offline
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For me and I did read A LOT on it quotations from both camps are more or less the same - anegdotal. I yet have to see somebody showing some technical evidence for this phenomenon. What is it?

I mean heavy controls - so OK, heavy for who? Take it to the daily basis, although rare if not extinct today there was a time when not every car or even truck had a servo steering wheel. Anybody ever tried to drive such a car or even a truck? It's damn harder to pull some "stunts" you do in your new car with two fingers while typing an SMS to your gf every day.
Both hands on the wheel buddy, and if you are not quite used to it it will take what will seem like A LOT of strenght to do it(LADA NIVA parking anyone?) Yet people that were/are used to it can still do it with one hand while typing an SMS!

Let's get back to airplanes, my point is that pilots that learned to fly and flew for years even in combat a plane which needs like 5lbs of power for pitching will surely get totally suprised and find it unpleasant to fly a plane that needs 20-30lbs or even more than that.
Does that mean that only Superman, Governer of California and Shaq O' Neal can fly that plane on the whole planet? I don't think so, and that's why I find this invisible force questionably realistic, yes not completely because I surely do not know all the details, but as things are now - I am not quite convinced...
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Oktoberfest Oktoberfest is offline
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Happy to see you here talking about the 109 FM, Brain.

OK, let's take a good start. DT is obviously more open minded about FMs and DMs issue that Oleg lately, and I'm sure that with good quotations and arguments, it will be possible to fix the issues that we've seen for the last years on the 109. The KI61 thread linked by another forum user comes to my mind.

Now, for DT, I would politely ask you about one thing to do about the 109s FMs : Can you verify if some datas where not misused when the 109's FM was "fixed" with 4.04 ?

The issue 109 pilots obviously face is that the elevator becomes concrete at higher speeds than 350 kph. It's contestable that this speed is very low to have a concrete elevator, but here is not my point. It seems that the speed taken to make concrete elevator was TAS and not IAS as it should be. With this possible mistake, the 109 keeps being relatively manoeuvrable at low to mid altitudes, but becomes uncontrolable at high altitude.

Over 7000 m, the 109's elevator don't respond at all anymore when you have around 220 kph indicated in IAS. In fact (and I could test it extensively), the Bf110G2 is better in manoeuvrability than the 109K at speeds above 250 kph at that altitude (from my POV, but I flew the 110G2 extensively the last years).

I'm sure Brain, that has a large collection of documents about various 109s will be able to deliver you the documents he has about the aircraft in a structured manner, but could you please check that first issue first ? (mixing between IAS and TAS for locking of the elevators at high altitudes) ?

Thank you very much.
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