Bf-109 G-10 worth unlocking?

[MorgothNL]

Well, I finaly have the G-10.. and it is a bummer . I'm starting to like the me109's, they are more fun to fly than the spit, because you need to do more than turning to win the battle.
I've been flying with the K-4 and F-4 mostly till I unlocked the G-10.

The G-10 flies ok, but its cannons leave a questionamark . Isnt the G-10 supposed to have a powerfull 30mm nosecannon? This one has the same armament as the F-4 and G-2. It turns worse, and is only slightly faster . I thought it would fly it bit nicer than the K-4, and had a 30mm.

the G-10 is crap no reason what so ever to pick this one over a F-4 or K-4/G-6.

Devs... could you plz give it a 30mm cannon
And while we are at it, maybe have a look at the 37mm????? yak-9T cannon (its not a 37mm, it feels like 3.7mm)
Or how about the K-4 without the gunpods.. the 30mm cannon and 2 machineguns are all I need, its a shame the gunpods are no choice, they ruin the manouvrebility of the K-4

Sorry for bringing up this old post, but I wanted to share my opinion on the G-10, now that I finally have it

[Soviet Ace]

I actually prefer the F4 or G2 to the other 109s, but that's me. They seem to handle better for what I have the notches set at. The G10, either on BoP or 1946, I never liked it because of its weight. Same with the K4, I always stuck with the Fs and G2.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

I actually prefer the F4 or G2 to the other 109s, but that's me. They seem to handle better for what I have the notches set at. The G10, either on BoP or 1946, I never liked it because of its weight. Same with the K4, I always stuck with the Fs and G2.

I like how the F-4 flies. But it armament seems to be verry weak. The 109's fly worse than the spits, any turning battle with a spit will be lost by the 109. So, when I DO get behind the spits etc, I want the armament to shoot them down in a burst. The G-6 and K-4 can do this, but they dont fly well.

The 109's just feel underpowerd. Their nosecannon shoot rip appart wings with easy, but the armament if the spits, feels at least 3x as powerfull. this combined with the better manouvrebility of the spits, gives no reason to take a 109 .

I fly 109 now because I like the challenge. But whenever I come up against someone just as good as me, but in a spit, there is not much I can do. Even if im able to get behind him, than the armament of the F-4 will not have the power to instantly kill him. With the spit a burst is often more than enough.

Just a question now after this: was the 20mm nosecannon more powerfull than the 20mm cannons of the spits? (talking about real historical planes)

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

I like how the F-4 flies. But it armament seems to be verry weak. The 109's fly worse than the spits, any turning battle with a spit will be lost by the 109. So, when I DO get behind the spits etc, I want the armament to shoot them down in a burst. The G-6 and K-4 can do this, but they dont fly well.

The 109's just feel underpowerd. Their nosecannon shoot rip appart wings with easy, but the armament if the spits, feels at least 3x as powerfull. this combined with the better manouvrebility of the spits, gives no reason to take a 109 .

I fly 109 now because I like the challenge. But whenever I come up against someone just as good as me, but in a spit, there is not much I can do. Even if im able to get behind him, than the armament of the F-4 will not have the power to instantly kill him. With the spit a burst is often more than enough.

Just a question now after this: was the 20mm nosecannon more powerfull than the 20mm cannons of the spits? (talking about real historical planes)

Umm... both are equally powerful. They're both 20mm in size, but I believe the Spitfires 20mm cannons fired a bit faster?

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Umm... both are equally powerful. They're both 20mm in size, but I believe the Spitfires 20mm cannons fired a bit faster?

Thought maybe the nosecannon 20mm was a heavier shell, or an 'exploding' one.
Hmz, so the cannons are equal,but the spit has 2 and fire faster
So ehm, maybe a stuppid question, but where does the 109 exel the spit in? (dont say speed because thats a tiny difference)

EDIT:
I just found this table http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...n/fgun-ta.html
More or less half way, there is the spit mk IX with the 4 x 7.7mm and 2x 20mm and exactly under the IX, there is the G-6. This G-6 is armed with a 20mm cannon and 2x 13mm.
So those 2 are have the same armament as the IX in game, and, lets say the 109 F-4 (the G-6 in game has gunpods).

If you look at the table, the weight of fire of the 109 is HIGHER. It is 2.46 kg per second, and the spit has 2.24 kg per second.
Looking at this, I would asume that the 109's armament should kill quicker than the spit's.

Do I just have a lot of bad luck with the 109/ luck with the spit? or is the armament of the 109 much weaker than the spits

[baldwin8]

I am not sure if this falls into the stupid question category, but which play level is everyone talking about here, arcade, realistic or simulator?

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by baldwin8

I am not sure if this falls into the stupid question category, but which play level is everyone talking about here, arcade, realistic or simulator?

yeah, should have mentioned that before

Im talking about sim mostly. Or realistic for that matter, because I dont notice difference in armament power, or airplane durability, between sim and realistic

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

Thought maybe the nosecannon 20mm was a heavier shell, or an 'exploding' one.
Hmz, so the cannons are equal,but the spit has 2 and fire faster
So ehm, maybe a stuppid question, but where does the 109 exel the spit in? (dont say speed because thats a tiny difference)

EDIT:
I just found this table http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...n/fgun-ta.html
More or less half way, there is the spit mk IX with the 4 x 7.7mm and 2x 20mm and exactly under the IX, there is the G-6. This G-6 is armed with a 20mm cannon and 2x 13mm.
So those 2 are have the same armament as the IX in game, and, lets say the 109 F-4 (the G-6 in game has gunpods).

If you look at the table, the weight of fire of the 109 is HIGHER. It is 2.46 kg per second, and the spit has 2.24 kg per second.
Looking at this, I would asume that the 109's armament should kill quicker than the spit's.

Do I just have a lot of bad luck with the 109/ luck with the spit? or is the armament of the 109 much weaker than the spits

Well there are some odd balled 20mm cannon rounds like 20x102mm 20x82mm(Which was the German caliber I believe used with their 20mm Mauser cannons?) But I think that most of them were the same weight, just a bit different in dimension?

EDIT: The 20x82mm was not the German cannon round. My mistake, but the Yak and La 20mm cannons were 20x99R the German Mauser was 20x135mm.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

Well, I finaly have the G-10.. and it is a bummer . I'm starting to like the me109's, they are more fun to fly than the spit, because you need to do more than turning to win the battle.
I've been flying with the K-4 and F-4 mostly till I unlocked the G-10.

The G-10 flies ok, but its cannons leave a questionamark . Isnt the G-10 supposed to have a powerfull 30mm nosecannon? This one has the same armament as the F-4 and G-2. It turns worse, and is only slightly faster . I thought it would fly it bit nicer than the K-4, and had a 30mm.

the G-10 is crap no reason what so ever to pick this one over a F-4 or K-4/G-6.

Devs... could you plz give it a 30mm cannon
And while we are at it, maybe have a look at the 37mm????? yak-9T cannon (its not a 37mm, it feels like 3.7mm)
Or how about the K-4 without the gunpods.. the 30mm cannon and 2 machineguns are all I need, its a shame the gunpods are no choice, they ruin the manouvrebility of the K-4

Sorry for bringing up this old post, but I wanted to share my opinion on the G-10, now that I finally have it

MorgothNL, I believe the G-10 did have a 20mm cannon. But I think it was a new, lighter and faster firing cannon than the old 20mm. That was the whole point of the G-10. The G series of 109 had become so fat with guns to destroy bombers that it could no longer dogfight. The G-10 was designed to be much lighter so it could provide fighter cover for the G-6's and Fw190's that would take on the bombers. That is also why you would never see a G-10 with gondola cannons.

So in theory it should fly more like the 109F. Whether this id the case in BoP I don't know. I haven't unlocked the G-10 yet.

[Voyager]

Here is a better version of the table you are looking at:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

The MG151/20 used the 20x82mm round, where as the HSII, HSV uses the 200x110m.

If I'm understanding the history of the guns right, The MG151/20 round was developed from a combination of the MG FF and MG151/15 round. The MG FF was an outgrowth of the small Oerlikon FF cannon. The HS.404, which developed in the HS MkII and MkV used by the British, was developed from the heavy Oerlikon FF S line of cannon.

Basically, between the wars Oerlikon developed the MG FF action, and made three sizes of gun with it, the Oerlikon FF, the FFL, and the FFS. The German MG151/20 fires rounds based off of the smallest of the set, while the British gun is based off of the biggest gun of the set. The US tried to adopt a belt fed version as, first the M1, then M2, and finally the M3, but it never worked very well until they reached the M24 version. The Japanese adopted the FF as the Type 99-1, and the FFL as the Type 99-2.

I think about the only group (aside from the US, and only because we couldn't get it to work) that wasn't using some variant Oerlikon, were the Russians, who were using the ShVAK, which was, perhaps, the first revolver cannon. It would be rather interesting to see just how closely the Mauser MG 213 happens to be related to the ShVAK mechanism.

Harry Voyager