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Originally Posted by AndyJWest

So the question comes down to whether we should expect TD to make changes based on cherry-picked data, because some people think there is a conspiracy to boost certain nations' aircraft?

Hardly. Who talked about "cherry-picked" data. And this does not affect the German planes or guns/bombs. The soviet Pylons concern the Soviet planes and not the German, right? Also the .50s caliber are way more weak than the UBs 12mm machine guns. If you want to check a plane that has at leat "weird" Damage Model check the SM-79. Try to bring it down, compare it with other contemporary planes, and read any data you could find.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

So much for objectivity.

I presented data while you have not. This doesn't make you more "objective".

Originally Posted by JtD

Team Daidalos does not fix stuff because it looks wrong, but when correct data is provided and it contradicts current game values. What's the point in balancing stuff instead of fixing it?

I never said about balance. I have always talked about Fixing it.

Originally Posted by JtD

Simple question related to the example: Which bomb is wrong - the FAB 1000 or the SC 1000? Or both? What would you want TD to do without knowing the proper values? Guessing? In the worst case you end up with even more wrong values.

I just asked something that looks wrong. You can find generic bomb blast range/damage data but its hard to find for these specific bombs.
I just question myself on how should be such a huge difference between bombs of the same category, same weight.

I have not found any account to stress this huge difference for these bombs.

And how would i want to fix this stuff since not exact data is available? Well, i'll say something like the following:

The 7.62 mm Browning machine guns were almost equal with the 7.62mm ShKAS in terms of damage and penetration ability. As you can see from here:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Historic%20MGs.htm

They have almost the same muzzle velocity and muzzle energy.

The ShKAS are slightly stronger for about less than 10%.
In game though they have almost twice the penetration ability of the 7.62 browning ones. Instead of probably 10. 20 or 30%
Just do the following "experiment":

Try to make a bomber to caught fire with a plane armed with the brownings like a Hurrie or Spit and try the same with a plane armed with the ShKAS like the I-16 or I-153.

You will be amazed how easily the ShKAS will cause fire and increased damage compared with the Brownings.

How could this be "Fixed"? Well, you can always inspect/judge the data values for the same category gun so maybe increasing the penetration ability of the brownings to be closer wouldn't be such a mistake, should it?
Since the muzzle vellocity and muzzle energy differ in less than 10% perhaps if you adjust the brownings to have the 80-90% the penetration value of the ShKAS you would be inside the 5% general accepted error.
Is it a "Biased" and wrong logic?

Originally Posted by Viikate

No, you are wrong. The "sniper effect" happens with all guns and it has nothing to do with the maxDeltaAngle.

Nope, you are Just change the delta angle and fly again. No matter if the gunner is Ace or not, you'll get significant less headshots.
The delta angle error ALSO plays significant role in this aspect.

Originally Posted by Viikate

So all bombs with same weight belong to same family by your logic? German SC bombs are thin wall high-explosive bombs that kill with blast effect. Not with sharapnels. I recall that most of the allied bombs kill also with shrapnels so their effective radius should be naturally bigger.

The German iron bombs also had the sharpnel "effect":
The following are from the SC German bombs:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...7/P5200004.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...7/P5200005.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...7/P5200006.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...7/P5200007.jpg

Originally Posted by Viikate

How many people have actually whined about the pylon mass bug during all the IL-2 years? I haven't seen any complaints, since weight != drag . Probably the biggest effect that is has is making for example Seafire with rockets too heavy and carrier take-off is more difficult.

Oh... maybe the 0kg value was a "place holder" value. That would make it prefectly ok, right?

You didn't answer what kind of data you used to make all the previously weighted 150 kgs pylons to weight 15 kilos.
And you didn't also answer what are you going to do for the Zero weight pylons.

Cheers