the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[Wolf_Rider]

@ Carguy...

1CGS ?

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

Nooo... forum moderation should be fair, even keeled, and without bias.

Game forums with no complaints (complaints deleted) looks like the game has no faults (I've yet to see one which hasn't). Then the surprise comes to the customer, when the faults become apparent.

Fanbois make terrible moderators

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

@ Carguy...

1CGS ?

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/9-team-statement/

[Wolf_Rider]

Thanks for the link... no, not really, you see I've pre-banned myself

though it is good to use as a reference for to put embellishers right

[furbs]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Such questions you have been asking since day one of your reviewing of CloD here. You still seem to think the answers are simple and easy. Well, they`re not. Two can play this game and so I ask you this :

Why has Jason Williams assigned Bearcat to such an aggressive reaction over at the new IL2 forums?

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.

[Jatta Raso]

Originally Posted by Rowddy

lol the only thing that killed Clod is/was..... the bitching, the moaning, the trolls and the complaints. end of story (literally).

i hope there is s lesson to be learned here.
The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

well guys... not to by a war, besides it's totally pointless at this point. but what killed CLoD was an unacceptable release state by even the lowest standards (on-line didn't work, off-line didn't work, UI didn't work, took months just to get sound on-line, game freezes till today, constant hang-ups, graphical glitches that disrupted gameplay, off-line features like commands and AI didn't work).

guess what, all those problems alienated both on-line and off-line players. worst even, gave it bad reviews, and that coupled with the steep HW requirements, gave CLoD the worst reputation in the market. to add injury to insult, the devs never gave the impression of being able to fix it.

so, as happens in RL, the faulty product killed itself. had it been a good release and all the bitching in the world wouldn't even dent it (there's plenty trash talk about halo you know...)

you guys just like to put this forums you hang around in the centre of your world and end up taking it for the world itself; stop looking at your belly buttons, UBI or 1C or whatever don't give a damn about what goes in here, devs lost funding because CLoD didn't sold well, technically it was a fiasco as big as they come, no matter how wonderful was its potential or the things it did right.

no one buys a car no matter how pretty it looks or how fabulous is its steering or brakes, if it always blows the engine 5 miles down the road.

but all in all it's a shame. i'm still hoping for a come back, but not dwelling on it any more.

[furbs]

Spot on.

People will always look to blame someone, and here its the people who spoke up about the failings of the sim.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso

guess what, all those problems alienated both on-line and off-line players. worst even, gave it bad reviews, and that coupled with the steep HW requirements, gave CLoD the worst reputation in the market. to add injury to insult, the devs never gave the impression of being able to fix it.

Not true. The code was bad at the start, but gradually got repaired with every release, be it beta or final patch version. The last patch straghtened the game well, next ones would do the same.

But here, the vocal minority of whiners persisted with the "unplayable" drivel. Well they got their wish.

so, as happens in RL, the faulty product killed itself. had it been a good release and all the bitching in the world wouldn't even dent it (there's plenty trash talk about halo you know...)

You compare CloD to a mainstream xbox360 FPS game, excellent. If you see nothing wrong with that then you`re done for.
Not really a surprise since you have been doing that from the start of your visits here, none of which had any trace of constructivity.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by furbs

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.

Evading normal discussion again. I expected nothing more from you and I rest my case.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Evading normal discussion again. I expected nothing more from you and I rest my case.

2 bans and a warning is aggressive?

[bongodriver]

no one buys a car no matter how pretty it looks or how fabulous is its steering or brakes, if it always blows the engine 5 miles down the road.

You are kidding right? practically everything bought is purely because of a label, you can practically sell anything if you put a small 'i' before it's name, and now apparently you can also just put 777 on it too.

So no you are wrong, the community killed COD, flight sims live on very fragile ground and can't soak up criticism the same way iPhones can, I'm not saying the release of COD was perfect, I'm just saying we as a community should have realised we either support it through it's troubled birth or simply lose it, simply put COD would not have been cancelled if there was a better reception and more enthusiasm from us, the bit that baffles me the most was the vile hatred channeled straight toward Luthier as if he had personally insulted them thanks to us the most promising flight sim title was binned and a man lost his job.