Is ammo modeled at all?

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by vranac

Yes there are differences,I was acting as target to my friend to improve his shooting for the championship.
When he set belts and convergention right he started killing my poor pilot

The question has nothing to do with convergence, that's just about shooting properly. The question is about the loadout in those belts.

Which bullets was he using before he started killing your pilot?
Which bullets was he using after he started killing your pilot?

Catseye's suggestion is that, regardless of the damage done, it doesn't really matter anymore what ammunition you load onto the belts. They all seem to do the same thing. At least if you're flying red. That's been his experience with the final patch, anyway, as far as I'm led to understand.

[Ataros]

If it is not modeled, it would be easy to prove: place a fighter on the ground facing a small hill and a bomber on this hill in front of the fighter's guns. Than load this same mission several times with different ammo and shoot.

There is a script that can show damage inflicted too.

[vranac]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

The question has nothing to do with convergence, that's just about shooting properly. The question is about the loadout in those belts.

Which bullets was he using before he started killing your pilot?
Which bullets was he using after he started killing your pilot?

Catseye's suggestion is that, regardless of the damage done, it doesn't really matter anymore what ammunition you load onto the belts. They all seem to do the same thing. At least if you're flying red. That's been his experience with the final patch, anyway, as far as I'm led to understand.

He was using default ammo belts and convergention because he reinstalled game recently and forgot to set them right.
After inserting mainly AP situation changed drastically.

Shooting on right convegence is very important if you want to inflict damage.
You can cut a wing or whole tail of 109.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by vranac

Yes there are differences,I was acting as target to my friend to improve his shooting for the championship.
When he set belts and convergention right he started killing my poor pilot

Do you know what his ammo belt was that was better?
or . . . . do you think that it was just his convergence settings that made the difference?

If it makes little difference on the loadout selected, then convergence becomes the deciding factor I think.

Convergence is not a part of this question. This will muddy the water completely. It is a question aimed directly at loadouts only.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

The question has nothing to do with convergence, that's just about shooting properly. The question is about the loadout in those belts.

Which bullets was he using before he started killing your pilot?
Which bullets was he using after he started killing your pilot?

Catseye's suggestion is that, regardless of the damage done, it doesn't really matter anymore what ammunition you load onto the belts. They all seem to do the same thing. At least if you're flying red. That's been his experience with the final patch, anyway, as far as I'm led to understand.

Correct! Spot on!

I'm wondering if others have noticed and hoping the feedback demonstrates the pros and cons. For me, it would help to understand this more in order to be more judicious in my loadout selections.
Cheers

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by vranac

He was using default ammo belts and convergention because he reinstalled game recently and forgot to set them right.
After inserting mainly AP situation changed drastically.

Shooting on right convegence is very important if you want to inflict damage.
You can cut a wing or whole tail of 109.

Let's keep convergence out of this. It has nothing to do with the original question regarding differences of loadout affect on the target.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by vranac

After inserting mainly AP situation changed drastically.

Ah, okay. So AP seemed to be more deadly to the pilot? That seems likely if the DM is giving the AP a higher penetration rating from dead six. More bullets likely to get through to the pilot.

Originally Posted by vranac

Shooting on right convegence is very important if you want to inflict damage.
You can cut a wing or whole tail of 109.

Absolutely. No one denies this. The question is whether shooting on right convergence does different things with different bullets. You've indicated that AP gives your friend a higher pilot kill count.

I'll start testing immediately! Watch out, Blue!

[vranac]

Both are important.

To see what is the best convergence settings for you I recomend Repka 4.
There are icons to see the distance and you can record tracks there without being kicked from the server(at least for me) and alive pilots.
You can see on what distance you shoot most of the time.

Then set it and try again.

[Friendly_flyer]

If it is possible to make own loadouts for bomber guns, using a bomber for testing ammo is much more efficient, as it allows you to fire at a single item of the test target from a stable platform. Here's a pickie from an old test I did in IL2 1946:

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by vranac

Both are important.

To see what is the best convergence settings for you I recomend Repka 4.
There are icons to see the distance and you can record tracks there without being kicked from the server(at least for me) and alive pilots.
You can see on what distance you shoot most of the time.

Then set it and try again.

Again, yes. We understand the convergence issue and set our gun sights appropriately.

At the correct distance (convergence) the OP is suggesting that there is perhaps very little difference between the different belts. Your statements regarding AP will give us more to work with in our testing.

Thank you