Man Made Global Warming

[MD_Titus]

i was referring to your multi-quoting of my post. you need to make the different bits distinct. as for the blasphemy, that's a verbal/textual tic. better than saying "oh f***", but not as good as saying "oh my word" if discussing something with someone liable to completely ignore the entire argument and instead nit pick about three little letters. also known as trolling.

read the rest of the post, it's basic courtesy.

[MadBlaster]

Ok, it's been read and judged. Now I'm off to see the wizard. Have a good day dude.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

and judged.

Be warned Titus. Ye have been judged!

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Ok, it's been read and judged. Now I'm off to see the wizard. Have a good day dude.

woeful, truly woeful.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Be warned Titus. Ye have been judged!

quite.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

1)
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See atheist -> karlmarx -> communist manifesto -> steal everything.

In UK the richest 1% control a quarter of the total wealth.
69% of land is owned by 0.3 % of the population.
In 1997 the Uk's thousand richest held wealth of £99 billion; in 2010 this had risen to £336 billion.

In both USA and UK over the last 30 years real wages have declined - a direct consequence of neoliberal economics with ever-increasing globalisation and outsourcing of jobs. This decline in real wages was the main reason for the massive expansion in credit needed by ordinary families to sustain their standard of living. We saw how that ended in 2008.

Forget your socialist and Marxist bogeymen. Your real worry should be the current version of capitalism that is the most efficient means ever devised of transferring wealth from the middle and lower classes to the already rich.

As the American and European middle classes continue to see their standard of living eroded, and as we edge closer to the seemingly inevitable collapse of the Euro maybe you should remind yourself that it wasn't Marxism or socialism that created this mess.

edit: and the atheists didn't have too much to do with it either..

and I'll just point out that I don't consider myself to be either a socialist, Marxist or athiest

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by kendo65

In UK the richest 1% control a quarter of the total wealth.
69% of land is owned by 0.3 % of the population.
In 1997 the Uk's thousand richest held wealth of £99 billion; in 2010 this had risen to £336 billion.

In both USA and UK over the last 30 years real wages have declined - a direct consequence of neoliberal economics with ever-increasing globalisation and outsourcing of jobs. This decline in real wages was the main reason for the massive expansion in credit needed by ordinary families to sustain their standard of living. We saw how that ended in 2008.

Forget your socialist and Marxist bogeymen. Your real worry should be the current version of capitalism that is the most efficient means ever devised of transferring wealth from the middle and lower classes to the already rich.

As the American and European middle classes continue to see their standard of living eroded, and as we edge closer to the seemingly inevitable collapse of the Euro maybe you should remind yourself that it wasn't Marxism or socialism that created this mess.

edit: and the atheists didn't have too much to do with it either..

and I'll just point out that I don't consider myself to be either a socialist, Marxist or athiest

It's basically a matter of how bad someone wants to be wealthy. Many inspiring stories out there, people get great ideas and work hard to fulfill the dream...the mess you speak of is result of very large governments and the entitlement payouts for all those gov. worker retirees, and other hand outs IMHO

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

It's basically a matter of how bad someone wants to be wealthy. Many inspiring stories out there, people get great ideas and work hard to fulfill the dream...

Tell that to someone in Greece at the moment, or one of the 50% of Spanish youth who find themselves without jobs, or the thousands in Ireland who have had to emigrate.

Originally Posted by SlipBall

the mess you speak of is result of very large governments and the entitlement payouts for all those retirees

The current mess is the result of the collapse of the financial system in 2008.

I already was of this opinion but this thread has just reinforced it. It seems to me that the right-wing belief system is just a massive self-reinforcing pattern of denial. When reality (from global warming to crashed economies) threatens or invalidates their belief systems they retreat into ever more frantic denial and distortion, ending in a mad dash for bogeymen to pin the blame on. We've seem the full gamut in threads on this very forum over the last few weeks - everything from those mad corrupted scientists through the (usual suspect) Marxists and socialists, athiests, even homosexuals a few weeks back. Everything is fair game if it allows them to sustain their cosy cocoon of denial.

Anyway, I've said I wouldn't get involved in this and I have. This one's for you Andy.

I'm off now before the Klan arrive.

[jimson8]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

that's a fundamental misunderstanding of marxism. the theory at least. spot on with how it is implemented though. ideally some are dragged down, but a larger number - as the wealth tends to be distributed as a pyramid rich and few at the top, poor but many at the bottom - are (meant to be) dragged up. funny thing is it tends to be the middle class that espouses marxism, with the richer and poorer tending to have it down as being a liberal panty sniffing taxation fest.

i think i'm remembering this story right, paraphrasing heavily though - when watching a train load up with passengers, marx and a companion went past the first class carriage, and saw the luxury and comfort these few were afforded. they pass second class to see old women perching uncomfortably on wooden benches in the busy carriage. they come to third class and watch as people are loaded into bare cattle carriages. his companion turned to marx and said
"when the revolution comes we'll make those pigs travel third class with the rest of us" (not actual pigs of course)
"no, comrade, you misunderstand - when the revolution comes we'll all travel first class"

Where has it ever worked and why do some still think that it can?

[ATAG_Doc]

Talking to climate change advocates long enough and the conversation goes from climate change to wealth inequity to income redistribution using climate change and the vehicle to achieve this change.

It's all spelled out in dozens of radicals books.

Look all around the world as all the civilizations that came and went before ours.

Ours too will meet the same fate as all the rest before ours and there isn't anything we can do collectively or alone.

[kendo65]

Maybe, but I'd personally rest a little easier if you didn't seem so relaxed and accepting about our world's (imminent?) destruction.

(We all know it's going to end in December 2012 anyway - the Mayas and all that....)