Open Gays in military - how has it worked out?

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by tk471138

do they segregate the homosexual service members from the hetrosexual ones...the reason i ask this is putting men who are attracted to other men is like putting men who are attracted to women in the womens quarters....

having men who are attracted to men shower with other men is akin to me as a hetrosexual male showering with females...

sure if i was attracted to men, the best thing for me to do was to join the military where i would live with other men and shower with other men ect...


if yo uwere a woman would you tolerate a stranger who is attracted to women live with you and shower with you???

so why should men tolerate this from those who are attracted to men?

So what are you exactly afraid of? By pure statistics you already have showered with a gay person in your life and did he hurt you in any measurable way? Guess not.

Are you afraid that you would get raped by that sex crazed gay animal or what? By that you would, btw, also say that all men are sex crazed animals who would rape any woman if they would shower with her. Interesting standpoint I have to admit. Complete bollocks, yet still interesting.

Maybe you lot should put your brains into running order before commenting, cause right now, you lot are talking out of your arses.

[AndyJWest]

The most telling point here is the complete failure of the "oh no, we can't trust them in the showers" brigade to actually come up with any evidence - whereas the facts speak for themselves: there have always been homosexuals serving in the military, and it has never been a problem in itself. The only difficulties have been caused by the ignorance and bigotry of others.

Meanwhile, a hypothetical question. Should Alan Turing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing) have been trusted with military secrets? After all, he was as gay as they come (or at least, as gay as he could get away with, and a little too gay for his own good eventually), and was working at Bletchley Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park). What a risk to security!

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Thank god there are still such insufferable rednecks around. How else would the rest of us know how not to behave.

+1

[Extreme_One]

Wow. I feel like I've just stepped through a time machine and ended up in 1975.

OK so we didn't have the internet back then but it seems the ignorance of the time lives on.

Does the fact that sometimes gays work in offices alongside 'normal' heterosexual colleagues have any influence on company morale?

Do gays working in schools/ hospitals/ shops/ morgues/ police stations/sports centres/ etc. etc. have any bearing on the morale of their co-workers?

[Hunden]

How did I guess who all the turd herders would be. I have no problem with you gays, knock yourselfs out. The gays in the military of the past weren't so much a problem because they didn't carry a freaking sign. And yes it can be a problem try getting drunk like Marines with one and see if it doesn't try and make a move when your passed out.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Fearless_1

My last 6 months of life in the United States Marines was good. I was proud to know that a victory had been won for American's who previously had to hide behind a mask to serve their country.

I knew of a few that came out after the repeal, and believe it it not, most of them were women. I know that discipline in the US armed forces is above all and that no one will get away with trying to drive gay and lesbian kids out of the service or into suicide.

One of the questions I asked at my old CO's brief was "Have other countries adopted a similar policy, and if so have they faced similar problems as servicemen here expect?"

They said that serving in Afghanistan with the Dutch blew their minds with the way everything was co-ed. They said that males and females shared all facilities. They said they never saw a break up in problems amongst the Brits, or French.

That brought me faith and pride.

Are you kidding me it took you that long to figure out that there are female Marines that are gay. Females don't belong in the Corps. They belong in the Navy or Airforce and maybe the Army. And Marines aren't double dutching

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Just bemused by the dimwittedness of the majority here. Though it is heartwarming to know that you lot really do live, in your tiny little heads, in a time gone by and will become extinct like any other superfluous species.

Huh....... Me thinks you have that backwards since gays are not likely to reproduce like the rest of us.................. dimwitt

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Huh....... Me thinks you have that backwards since gays are not likely to reproduce like the rest of us.................. dimwitt

You did miss biology class quite often, did you not? Gays can reproduce themselves exactly the way you do, just not with a relationship to the woman/man who carried the child to term or provided the sperm.

[Continu0]

Just can tell you my experience:

I had one gay-guy during my service in the swiss military music. It worked out fine, altough he never had an "official" coming-out, many (including the commander) knew and respected him (he was one of the best friends I had during that time btw.).

As the swiss military-music is a special buch with many students and other open-minded people, I would say that this is an exception. I don´t know how it would have worked out at the "front-line", but i am almost shure he would have had more problems in another function...

[kammo]

"Zorin

Just bemused by the dimwittedness of the majority here. Though it is heartwarming to know that you lot really do live, in your tiny little heads, in a time gone by and will become extinct like any other superfluous species."

Big up Zorin. Agree with you 100%

Suprised what a closed minded people here. Nevertheless good conversation to have.