Best Dogfight Maneuver Ever???

[DKoor]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I'm pretty sure that the movie versions of this maneuver are totally off. It just... looks wrong.

+1
Looks wrong because its impossible according to the physics in this world.

Luckily game models this very well, even much less optimistic evasion will end up in stall and turkey shot for your opponent let alone trying something like this.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Kittle

We shouldn't discount everything we see on TV as impossible from out perspective.

Chuck Norris?

[T}{OR]

When you listen closely what Richard Candelaria is saying it is easy to see how poorly the Dogfights show the maneuver. Especially the part in which he is describing how the (K-14) gunsight was too slow. From what I understood, he had much more altitude at his disposal. All in all it was 1 in a 100 shot.

When you see it re-done in Red Tails, it looks 10 times more unreal.

Originally Posted by swiss

Chuck Norris?

The only logical explanation.

[rakinroll]

Newton says that it is impossible...

[DoolittleRaider]

Originally Posted by Ra'Kaan

Ah interesting.

I recently viewed all of the History Channel Dogfights series.
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Maybe I can fly this weekend and try it out. lol Wish me luck...

I am hoping that some folks might try to make a Movie (for the ongoing Movie Competition) using clips from one of the History Channel Dogfight shows. I think that IL-2 (with Mods) and definitely Cliffs of Dover could be used to present Visuals at least as realistic as the expensive HC CGI aircraft, and definitely more realistically maneuvering, physics effects,etc. Such a movie could simply re-create one of the Dogfights in the HC Series, but do so much better....keeping the Movie entry down to 10 minutes or less, though. The 30 minute HC shows always had repeats of the visuals, several repeats of the same clips. Blatantly obvious too. When they were stretching a possible 3-5 minute dogfight to 30 minutes, they had no choice I guess, as it would have been WAY too expensive to do mutiple CGI scenes from different perspectives....but, with IL-2 Trks, that could be done easily.

Such an IL-2 Movie entry might show some HC Dogfight footage interspersed with IL-2 'footage', for comparison, as just one approach.

So...there's the challenge! Jump into the Movie Competition...you've got 3 month to create your movie. Re-create the Red Tails scene/maneuver and you might get a special award.....no promises though.

DR

P.S. Remember that no Icons, text, HUD, etc will be permitted in a Movie Competition entry.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by DKoor

+1
Looks wrong because its impossible according to the physics in this world.

Luckily game models this very well, even much less optimistic evasion will end up in stall and turkey shot for your opponent let alone trying something like this.

Perhaps we need to recreate this using physics ... on another world!

[K_Freddie]

I have a Snap-Roll type move, but it's done going into the stall, with a stall recovery within half a roll followed by a pull out.. I use it mainly to get out of trouble.
Have old video of 3 online track sections on 3 different a/c... works on any a/c

To do a full 180 nearly horizontal turn on the rudder within, even 5 seconds.. well that's for a magician = optical illusion

These new air combat films are going to be a dissapointment.. sad that they cannot get their facts right.