Friday Update, February 10, 2012

[klem]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

I think I have to put it in bold:
Now we have simulated the performance of engines taken from public test. What kind of fuel they used - such fuel in our game
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It becomes obvious that the Spit and Hurri pilots are getting so much annoyed having their sensitive parts kicked by the Bf109 ............

Gents just get used to it:
#1. The flight model is not there where it should be.

#2. The Bf109s owned the air at that period...........Yes! You won the battle of Britan! Because the Bf109s had to fly besides the bombers. In CoD they do not have to, and you feel the impact.

I didn't want to get into exchanges here - its breaking my own rules - but I would like to say...

Properly modelled engine performance (if it is properly modelled) doesn't necessarily translate into aircraft performance, there are other factors involved. Are the MkI/Ia aedrodynamics modelled very differently from the MkII? Is the Merlin MKIII modelling very different from the MkXII? Whichever, they are being looked at.

So, yes, the FMs aren't where they should be.


And yes we're fed up getting our parts kicked with a/c that are slower than they should be. Whether the 109s 'owned the sky' because of tactics or performance is dependent on those tactics and the actual a/c models. In level flight the +12lbs boosted Spitfire was faster than the 109E at medium and low altitudes according to
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html
But 109 Tactics (not tied to bombers) generally seem to have prevented very effective RAF defence in the initial engagements as admitted by many of the veterans. But there are many BoB combat reports that said if the 109 simply dived and ran away the Spitfire (presumably 100 octane and boosted) could eventually catch it. And on co-E terms, apart from the Negative G problem, the Spitfire could outfight the 109. We would like those chances. The 109 did not 'own the sky' in all circumstances.

[SEE]

Thanks for the update BS.

I am more interested in the flight sim aspects and, along with others, would appreciate the relative FM of the current plane set corrected as a priority. At the moment we have a Rotol Hurricane that outperforms the Rotol Spitfire Mk1a and a Spitfire MK11 that outperforms everything else and is thus banned from most servers - and, still no definite response wether these glaring issues are to be addressed.

[xpupx]

Oh Good another Axis Bomber!

[easytarget3]

Thank you,looks promising, maybe after while i start play again,pls add some good campaigns and fix multi,game without great gameplay value is worhless.
keep up the good work.have a nice weekend.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by SEE

Thanks for the update BS.

I am more interested in the flight sim aspects and, along with others, would appreciate the relative FM of the current plane set corrected as a priority. At the moment we have a Rotol Hurricane that outperforms the Rotol Spitfire Mk1a and a Spitfire MK11 that outperforms everything else and is thus banned from most servers - and, still no definite response wether these glaring issues are to be addressed.

Spot on. TBH I don't know who's right about the 87 vs 100 octane fuel etc, I just want a reason to get back in the 1a instead of the Hurri (which seems about correct).

[king1hw]

Robo, Please list your publications own by you that are pilots manuals on the Merlin II and III production and list the fuels tested since the Battle of France where most RAF Hurricanes were being tested at 12lbs boost instead of 6.25 WHICH IS A JOKE. Most if not all front line fighter air bases received 100 octane fuel. Douglas Bader Biography wrote about the main issues as well as many RAf fighter pilots documented the configuration.

You come on here and post no actual documentation owned by you proving that everything you say is right about the engine power plants in the spitfire MKIa and Hurricane. Can you agree that the Spit MkIa is a joke and that major fixes in both allied and axis planes need fixed.

Again Post your scanned in data that you have purchased to prove to us you are not full of hot air and that the only fuel produced in Britain was 87 and that this was the only fuel available and no planes in the historical record of the BoB did not reach 12lbs boost and that the LW won the war because it had the superior aircraft. So I guess your the only one supplying 1c with your data which I have never seen.

Since Forgotten battles we have had these issues and the allowing of 25lb spit on servers with that game and everyone WHINEDDDD!

So same BS! So just give us all the possible variants for both LW and RAF and allow the servers to design the WAR.

My final

[dflion]

I am very pleased to see a Ju88A-4, keeping up this aircraft's progression line within the sim.

The Ju88A-4 was the Luftwaffes defintive Junkers bomber during WWII with increased wingspan, heavier defensive armament and improved armour protection. It was extensively
used in all theatres. (e.g. 'The Med' )
Hopefully this aircraft's progression line will continue with minimum modelling changes to produce a Ju88C-6a anti-shipping dayfighter and a Ju88C-6b nightfighter with solid nose armament. Perhaps later a Ju88A-17 torpedo bomber.

Although I am not crazy about manning anti-aircraft guns in the sim, I can see a strategic land warfare gameplay starting as an alternative scenario, for those of us interested.

Hopefully you are keeping the best aircraft releases to last - a Bf109F-2 would be exciting to see?

DFLion

[Al Schlageter]

The following, in bold type, are squadrons and the date for 100 octane fuel useage. Info came from mostly pilots combat reports.

The Aug and Sept dates don't necessarily mean this was the first use of 100 octane fuel but the first reference date I found on 100 octane fuel use.

Please add to the list if you have any other references of 100 octane use.

Hurricane Squadrons

No. 1 (Cawnpore) Squadron - May 1940
No. 3 Squadron - May 1940
No. 17 Squadron - May 1940
* No. 32 Squadron
No. 43 (China-British) Squadron - June 1940
* No. 46 (Uganda) Squadron
No. 56 (Punjab) Squadron - May 1940
No. 73 Squadron - May 1940
No. 79 (Madras Presidency) Squadron - May 1940
No. 85 Squadron - May 1940
No. 87 (United Provinces) Squadron - May 1940
* No. 111 Squadron
No. 145 Squadron July 1940
No. 151 Squadron - May 1940
* No. 213 (Ceylon) Squadron
* No. 229 Squadron
* No. 232 Squadron
* No. 238 Squadron
* No. 242 (Canadian) Squadron
* No. 245 (Northern Rhodesia) Squadron
No. 249 (Gold Coast) Squadron - 6 Sept 1940
* No. 253 (Hyderabad) Squadron
* No. 257 (Burma) Squadron
* No. 263 (Fellowship of the Bellows) Squadron
* No. 302 Polish Fighter Squadron
No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron - 9 Sept 1940
* No. 310 Czechoslovak Squadron
* No. 312 Czechoslovak Squadron
* No. 401 Canadian Squadron
* No. 501 (County of Gloucester) Squadron
* No. 504 (City of Nottingham) Squadron
* No. 601 (County of London) Squadron
* No. 605 (County of Warwick) Squadron
* No. 607 (County of Durham) Squadron
* No. 615 (County of Surrey) Squadron

Spitfire Squadrons

No. 19 Squadron - e May 1940
No. 41 Squadron - June 1940
No. 54 Squadron - May 1940
No. 64 Squadron - 5 Aug 1940
No. 65 (East India) Squadron - 12 Aug 1940
No. 66 Squadron - 6 Sept 1940
* No. 72 (Basutoland) Squadron -
No. 74 Squadron - May 1940
* No. 92 (East India) Squadron
No. 152 (Hyderabad) Squadron - 4 Sept 1940
* No. 222 (Natal) Squadron
No. 234 (Madras Presidency) Squadron - 18 Aug 1940
* No. 266 (Rhodesia) Squadron
No. 602 (City of Glasgow) Squadron - pre BoB
No. 603 (City of Edinburgh) Squadron - 31 Aug 1940
No. 609 (West Riding) Squadron - pre BoB
No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron - June 1940
No. 611 (West Lancashire) Squadron - June 1940
No. 616 (South Yorkshire) Squadron - 15 Aug 1940

Other aircraft

* No. 23 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim
* No. 25 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim and Bristol Beaufighter
* No. 29 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim and Bristol Beaufighter
* No. 141 Squadron - Boulton Paul Defiant
* No. 219 (Mysore) Squadron - Bristol Blenheim and Bristol Beaufighter
* No. 235 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim
* No. 236 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim
* No. 247 (China - British) Squadron - Gloster Gladiator
* No. 248 Squadron - Bristol Blenheim
* No. 264 (Madras Presidency) Squadron - Boulton Paul Defiant
* No. 600 (City of London) Squadron - Bristol Blenheim and Bristol Beaufighter
* No. 604 (County of Middlesex) Squadron - Bristol Blenheim and Bristol Beaufighter
* No. 804 Naval Air Squadron - Fairey Fulmar
* No. 808 Naval Air Squadron - Fairey Fulmar

Every Sector Station on the CloD map had 100 octane fuel.

[louisv]

Originally Posted by icarus

What are your videocard settings? Because mine looks nothing like the video. It shimmers all over and stutters and the tree shadow flicker.

Well the tree shadows do flicker, but other than that it is the same (can't see much tree shadows in the video though...). I don't think There is anything new here, graphics wise.

All settings to max, except ssao and epileptic filter.

[Ribbs67]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that one of the United States's early contributions to the war effort.. supplying the RAF with 100 octane fuel... thought I heard that in a documentary...