What is best way to contact Oleg and his team ?

BOBC, historically accurate cockpits it's just a publicity gimmick, and btw, as the expert that you are, you're certainly aware that there were on the field variations here and there, not to mention factory variations as new Spitfires were built and delivered to the RAF stations.

Having said this, Oleg is a no-nonsense person, he wants facts, reliable evidences (a picture is not enough sometimes for the aforementioned reasons), and above all manuals which show the technical layout of things. I don't blame him for this, years of experience must have taught him a lot, and I'd rather go myself for the manual than for a picture of a one off example which doesn't have further evidences..

I haven't followed your saga and dunno how long you've been pointing these issues, but if you didnt receive an answer by now.. having said this, you might see your changes in the first patch coming, you never know! As things are now they're proceeding by priorities and there are way more important issues that need to be addressed before the first release.

[winny]

Originally Posted by BOBC

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There are no features there that say Mk1, that’s the trouble, I see this cockpit in videos from the sim which show a Mk1 on the outside. I also had assumed that stills of the cockpit would be of the Mark associated with the Battle of Britain. Why not show us the Mk1. I see this and nothing else, no variations.


BOBC

Ok so it's based on the assumption that it's a MKI.. Even though there's nothing to suggest it's a MKI. If there was no MKII in the game I could understand your point. But if it looks like a MKII and there's a MKII in game then there's a chance that it is a MKII 'pit.

This should be filed under 'wait and see' I think.

[GnigruH]

I leave the decision to Oleg and team.

Honestly, that's your only option.

I have offered full supporting evidence via email should they wish to consider.

Very well. IMHO now you should wait. They can either accept the 'truth' or ignore it. This thread is useless atm, you don't have to convince me or anyone that you're right and they're liars, cos' we, players, have no power to put the 'correct' spitfire mk1 cockpit in.
You have sent your references to the right ppl, what this thread is for?

The support is lost with the visual impact of the wording before it which borders on hurtful.

If my demot hurts your feelings, well... it's good to look at oneself from the distance, it's good to imagine how other ppl might see your actions.

[BOBC]

GnigruH.

If my demot hurts your feelings, well... it's good

You post that as you are sure others feel the same need to say that. You should leave them to their own words, not try to justify such things by claiming others agree. You reckon that others see my simple posting of data that I offer evidence for to Oleg as a superiority complex and worth putting up on thread in a very visual way. I still appreciate your support remark but I would appreciate removal of that graphic PLEASE, I find it offensive and it doesnt tally with your support anyway. I have tried to remain polite throughout all the responses that fail to see the simple data posting exercise I did. Since then I have had to keep coming back fending off and correcting incorrectness and rewording of my aim, saying I dont care about the cockpit is one thing, and one is entitled to such, but now attacks on my very character with this is not what this thread is about and is not in keeping with the forum rules. Honestly how can making observations based on data I have, be seen as a superiority complex ?

Perhaps a few others could support my quest now to have you remove that please as it goes beyond what should be a sensible debate. Others with any observations please note all this, its just not worth it folks, the guys on this sim get into a dogfight but as innocent outsider with an honest mission, you get bitten ! Lets attack the messenger. You get this sort of posting against you. Anyone observing what they feel is worthy of flagging up to the team has in fact a superiority complex. Trying to be helpful doesnt come into it.

BOBC

[GnigruH]

I would appreciate removal of that graphic PLEASE, I find it offensive

You are touchy.
You have to understand that it's not about you personally.
It's made of a picture you posted, yes, but it's more general.

It doesn't say that you have a superiority complex, I guess if someone has no reserve, it might look like he has it.

Anyway, if this forum is moderated, you could ask someone, who has this power, to remove it.
I don't feel like doing it, unless, like you said, a few other ppl also find it offensive and make a similar demand here.

[swiss]

This demot is awesome! DO NOT REMOVE IT PLEASE!

And you are are selfish BOBC - as it's not only about you, but all the overly active "nitpickers".
Of course it's great to have source like you guys - even if it's only as a back up.
But: Criticizing without being asked isn't too polite either.

Furthermore, removing it is useless - this is the internet, remember?
We can save the stuff we look at...

... and I can almost guarantee you it's not the last time posted here.

So - relax and show some sense of humor.

[WTE_Galway]

Personally I do not think its nit-picking

It may well be true the forums are packed with over-testosteroned online ego jocks who only want something with cool graphics so they can show yet again their "eliteness" flying tight circles online in totally unhistorical fur-ball battles and do not care really if what they fly is anything like the actual aircraft.

The fact that the noisiest most obnoxious posters tend to fly in wonder women view and hence do not care for cockpits and know very little about the actual historical battle does not rule out the many many offline players who are interested in the sim almost entirely because it promises to be historically accurate.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Personally I do not think its nit-picking

It may well be true the forums are packed with over-testosteroned online ego jocks who only want something with cool graphics so they can show yet again their "eliteness" flying tight circles online in totally unhistorical fur-ball battles and do not care really if what they fly is anything like the actual aircraft.

The fact that the noisiest most obnoxious posters tend to fly in wonder women view and hence do not care for cockpits and know very little about the actual historical battle does not rule out the many many offline players who are interested in the sim almost entirely because it promises to be historically accurate.

I enjoy playing online and I like doing well when I fly, but am equally happy when I die to a more skilled player. I don't fly in "wonder woman mode" and I only play WW2 CFSes. I do care about the planes I thing they are wondrous beautiful aircraft. I do not care if the lettering is wrong or if the gauges aren't exactly correct. I do care that they look and perform like the aircraft they are intended to be. If I wanted it to be completely historically accurate I would have to go back in time and enlist. No sim EVER will be completely historically accurate for one simple and irrefutable fact: I did not participate in it.

I don't know everything there is to know about every battle in every theater of WW2, but I also enjoy reading about the battles and the brave service men and women that gave so much for their sides. To lump everyone that doesn't care about the minutiae (aka nitpicking) as low realism point whores is asinine.

The community (all sides) has become so ugly and mean spirited lately it's disappointing. I don't know why everything has to resort to name calling or bashing. We are all in this together we all have a stake in it, and we aren't accomplishing anything with all this hate mongering. The game (and it is a game) will be as historically correct as 1C Maddox could make it with the information they had at hand. While also ensuring that it would be enjoyable for people that aren't completely obsessed with one or two aircraft. Let's just please stop the ugliness that has reared up over the last couple of months and agree to disagree.

[BOBC]

Swiss
But: Criticizing without being asked isn't too polite either.

here we go again....

So offering up information in as polite a way as I have tried, (and it is difficult with all the unexpected twisting and apparent character attacks now developing, to keep to that route), to assist with a declared goal of most accurate ever cockpits is in fact CRITICIZING and NOT POLITE.

Ever noticed how when someone gets knocked down in a street and kicked by some guttersnipe, some lowlife, that others also then join in.

And you are are selfish BOBC - as it's not only about you, but all the overly active "nitpickers".
Of course it's great to have source like you guys - even if it's only as a back up.
But: Criticizing without being asked isn't too polite either.

You feel that its a warning shot at all those wishing to assist, you are allowed to ward off those you feel are unwelcome, keep just those that are the kickers perhaps. I am to feel better at being attacked along with others.

How long would a list of differences in a cockpit have to be to be seen as an observation worthy of mention as opposed to be nitpicking ?

Perhaps the forum should have a warning no entry sign saying anyone who means well and wishes to offer information that may prove useful in correcting mistakes or they feel the developers would find useful given their stated goal should SOD OFF. It will only be seen as criticizing and they will be lacking in politeness to attempt to do so. You will all be seen to have a superiority complex but expected to see it in good humour. However long your error list is, its nitpicking. we dont want to know about mistakes, we dont want them fixed either. Just one observation posting will be seen as overly active, we will keep you active thereafter by throwing in all sorts of twisted posts and untruths.

I just hope that a moderator polices these forums and can keep these responses from posters on the polite level I operate on. Accusations of impoliteness now.

Do you think anyone else is going to be willing to risk their well meant constructive observations after reading how my attempt has gone and being labelled as overly active criticizing and impolite nitpickers ? Do try folks and read the posted facts please, not get caught up in a dogfight, they are me, not the mudslinging.

GnigruH

if this forum is moderated, you could ask someone, who has this power, to remove it.
I don't feel like doing it, unless, like you said, a few other ppl also find it offensive and make a similar demand here.

Thank you, a true gentleman. Doesnt this forum have a warm friendly atmosphere. People with a heart.

BOBC

[Trumper]

BoBC ,You have been polite,constructive and a good source of information.
Please don't get knocked down too much,there are alot of people thinking the same as you.
Thank You.
The best compliment that can be paid is that hopefully somewhere in the future a patch/mod may be released.
The mistake you made was posting the information on a public forum.