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11-23-2010, 02:08 AM
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Let us bear in mind the exact nature of the "glitches" in 6DOF for IL2. The ones some people claim users will happily tolerate apparently. These include:
- gaps or holes that you can see right through when you view a cockpit from a different position - many cockpits are just flat 2D textures which using a trick to look 3D with switches etc basically drawing them as viewed as they would appear from a center position. These look wrong when viewed from a different position. Simple story is the mod is a good one and works, but the IL2 cockpits are not suitable for 6DOF and people WILL whine about the "bugs" if its released officially without fixing all those cockpits. Plus its no great problem for people wanting to get 6DOF to install the mod anyway, so why bother. |
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11-23-2010, 02:35 AM
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But the FOV issue NOT. And YES, it's really simple with access to code. I'm "assuming" nothing, I'm tired to change FOV settings in a lot of games, some in configs, and some OLD titles. And this feature isn't up to IL-2 because of nothing. It's just changing some parameter. All the problem is in the "thin" line about the "standards"... I can read all the fanboyishm over TD, they do a great job... But people don't give customers the right to decide what are most needed and desired. It's plain wrong. Live with that. If "officially" we have 6DOF as it is right now, in the case someone dislikes the "holes", simply don't use it. IL-2 isn't "Counter-Strike" for mature simmers, we don't cry all over the place about "hacks". With wider FOV, same thing. Raise the "standards" to not deliver some nice features is wrong to this customer here. And I will not endorse the chorus for "please gimme more free content". I'm just assuming TD have the "official" support by Maddox Games to do improvements in IL-2. Well, a lot of people here I believe uses 6DOF and FOV Changer, but have some illogical afraid to put some points over light. But if Maddox Games don't give more support for IL-2, don't solve the old widescreen support, why care at all about the talking about "mods" and "official patches"? Are all mods, but some of them gives really new functionalities and others are bounded to "standards"... The "non-standard" crew make IL-2 sell untill today. Last edited by LoBiSoMeM; 11-23-2010 at 02:52 AM. |
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11-23-2010, 02:39 AM
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Be a fanboy, but don't make inversions. I spend my time and resources doing other things besides modding IL-2, and I deserve respect too. Last edited by LoBiSoMeM; 11-23-2010 at 02:59 AM. |
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11-23-2010, 02:49 AM
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I don't think it is "works okay" by high quality standards. If TD don't want to give this, it's really OK, but stop all the "we are the best", "the gitches/bugs are huge" and all this kind of thing. Do the work for free, be bounded to restrictions, but don't say a word about the modding community, because these guys deliver MDS, 6DOF and wider FOV. For me, 3 musts in IL-2, and more money to Oleg's pocket, even if he dislikes mods. I'm out of this discussion. I did mods myself, by the way, for free, but for some other old title. I follow the mod scene, but here, in IL-2 world, peole "tend" to believe everybody "unknow" is a "pretensious idiot". Be more humble here. My 2 cents. Last edited by LoBiSoMeM; 11-23-2010 at 02:58 AM. |
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11-23-2010, 02:58 AM
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Respect is earned.
Not given on face value. Dwell on that. Actually I'm kind of unhappy that I started this topic. I thought that after all this time, that we could discuss problems with the sim, and future additions to it, like adults. I guess I was wrong. I see that the childish attitudes that prevailed at that original mod site still exist. They would not listen to constructive criticism then, and apparently still expect to be adored for their work, no matter how incomplete, trouble prone, or otherwise problematic it may be. Not that it all is, because that isn't true either. The MDS, if it can be seamlessly integrated into the official versions will be a great addition. But It has to work better than it does now. That's all I wanted to say initially, so if a moderator would lock this thread, I'd sure appreciate it, because it is spiraling out of control. 
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11-23-2010, 03:02 AM
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Marvelous... By the way, I'm not an IL-2 modder, not a MOD fanboy", just like to have 6DOF in sims, likes to have decent FOV in sims to keep my SA, and really likes to see "moving things" in IL-2 DF servers... But I don't deserve respect! Great! Last edited by LoBiSoMeM; 11-23-2010 at 03:05 AM. |
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11-23-2010, 03:09 AM
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Son, I'm not attacking anyone.
I started the thread to point out issues with the MDS, that is all. I didn't come in here demanding features, acting like a 13 year old, and pouting about not getting respect. Grow up.
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11-23-2010, 03:25 AM
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11-23-2010, 04:03 AM
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EVERYONE wants widescreen support, but some want triggers or radio navigation or the regiane 2000 even more. What TD does is work on things that are hard to do without official help (like triggers), while adding a few extras that can be done without official help in order to spice things up and add some variety (like the skis). What we do is decide how badly we need certain features and then install what we need. If 6DOF is more important to me than the gladiator's skis, i will keep flying 4.09+mods, if the skis are more important to me than 6DOF i will go to 4.10 and wait until the 4.10 compatible mod pack is released. Everyone can choose for themselves, everyone is happy. I still don't understand why you seem to think your opinion carries a bigger validity or represents the majority of the community. What if it doesn't? What if the rest of the community has a totally different opinion than the people you know? The guys here are not arguing with you because they want to disrespect you, they do it because what you say effectively sounds like this: "the features that i thik are a priority and my personal opinions carry a bigger weight than the rest of you". Maybe you don't mean it and it only seems that way due to the way you say it, but that's how it looks like and some people will find it a bit offensive. I agree with you that for a 10 year old game i wouldn't mind to have a few extra features even with some glitches. What i disagree with is thinking that everyone feels the same way with us, because a lot clearly don't. I think your main issue is the widescreen FOV support because you say it is prone to freezes. Well, it's not TD's job to fix that, but the guy's who released the widescreen mod. If that guy wants to he can contact TD, tell them how he does it and ask for their help and TD may decide to help him. However, in order for that to happen he would have to work under TD's quality control standards. Correction, not TD's, but Oleg's standards. It's very simple, mr Maddox says "i can help you make mods into official patches, but if you want my help you'll make it in a way i like too". You either agree to this and get his help in return, or you don't agree and do it by yourself. |
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11-23-2010, 05:10 AM
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- this is not the official forum of MDS - you complain that it does not work fine but never specify what exactly. You never did on proper forums. 90min sync issues are not such a big problem and mission saving that you said is problematic for you has at least workarounds but should not happen in 1.13. - would you report your issues to me when you discovered them, be sure they would have been fixed. To be an adult, you should report your issues on the proper forum or just shut up. And please don't hide behind "it's an official 4.10 feature". It's not out yet and so you can't complain about that too. You started a topic about a MOD. You failed to be constructive. Just destructive. Worse than 13 year old. To be constructive, an adult and respectful to original IL2 authors you should: - go to MOD forums - start a topic there - explain your problems - add some missions or log files if the problem can not be easily reproduced. Period. And don't worry, I did not take any of it personally. This topic should have been locked as soon as it was started. It serves nothing and is completely useless. |
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