Man Made Global Warming

[Porsche]

"That said, do whatever you please. Just stop torpedoing those people that actually got themselves a bike for the daily businesses or are trying to get everything on a bit more sustainable basis."

I do not think anyone is torpedoing you for utlimateley cutting your costs of daily life for using a bike. If you think you are doing good by being more sustainable then I applaud you. I believe it is the people that want to be more sustainable but are trying to force their whole country and other countries to live by their wants that causes these arguments. Someone had mentioned Germany as trying to be self sufficient in terms of energy use. There is nothing wrong with that. They do not have enough natural resources to sustain themselves going forward so they have to be more efficient than other countries in their use of their natural resources. At some point in history each country is going to have to be conservative with their resources. This all goes back to supply and demand setting prices. However when collectively countries try to tell other citizens that they will have have less disposable income for their own family because they need to pay for other countries to continue to keep polluting then that is global socialism. Read the Kyoto Accord and this is exactly what they were trying to do. I believe we all know that as a world we are all responsible for working together on issues. But country sovereignty is what is at stake with many of the trends that are moving forward. Look in your local news and you will see it every day. The IMF and the World Bank. Educate yourself on this and you will see things in a different light. Who is the IMF to actually dictate to other countries. It seems that some people want to make sure they can control more than just their own country. This is a problem of what I see. Not global warming. That is just a way of diverting everyone's attention away from what they real issues are.

I also want to applaud all the posts here. I am amazed at how many intelligent people there are out there. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading everyones opionons. Well most of them besides the regurgitated propaganda that the media puts out. But I have to say that collectively I think there still are enough people that can think for themselves and come to reasonable/rational deductions of the environment around them to lead the way forward. It is a refreshing feeling to see intelligent debates taking place. Too many times anymore in the U.S. all you hear is the regurgitated propaganda people spat out from both sides left and the right. They blame each side like the other is perfect. Its funny because every bill passed in our country was done by both parties. So the mess we are in here both parties are responsible for. The ironic thing is so many crimes have been commited and not one person has been held responsible for them. You start to wonder about your own country and if there is a true justice system.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

erm, except the warming/ glacial periods have occured at very regular intervals over the range of the Vostok Ice Core sample, and that same study shows clearly that CO[sub]2[/sub] is not the driver. There is however, a lose correlation indicated but by no means is a cause and effect indicated
Volcanic activity has been recently discoverd occuring in the West Antarctic (yes right under the Larson B shelf which broke off) and also more recently occuring under the Arctic.

You have some credible sources for that?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Porsche

"That said, do whatever you please. Just stop torpedoing those people that actually got themselves a bike for the daily businesses or are trying to get everything on a bit more sustainable basis."

I do not think anyone is torpedoing you for utlimateley cutting your costs of daily life for using a bike. If you think you are doing good by being more sustainable then I applaud you. I believe it is the people that want to be more sustainable but are trying to force their whole country and other countries to live by their wants that causes these arguments. Someone had mentioned Germany as trying to be self sufficient in terms of energy use. There is nothing wrong with that. They do not have enough natural resources to sustain themselves going forward so they have to be more efficient than other countries in their use of their natural resources. At some point in history each country is going to have to be conservative with their resources. This all goes back to supply and demand setting prices. However when collectively countries try to tell other citizens that they will have have less disposable income for their own family because they need to pay for other countries to continue to keep polluting then that is global socialism. Read the Kyoto Accord and this is exactly what they were trying to do. I believe we all know that as a world we are all responsible for working together on issues. But country sovereignty is what is at stake with many of the trends that are moving forward. Look in your local news and you will see it every day. The IMF and the World Bank. Educate yourself on this and you will see things in a different light. Who is the IMF to actually dictate to other countries. It seems that some people want to make sure they can control more than just their own country. This is a problem of what I see. Not global warming. That is just a way of diverting everyone's attention away from what they real issues are.

Look, it may be that climate change is occuring, it may be it is not. But IF it is, and you have done nothing to prevent it despite enough ppl giving a warning, then please also take care of the eventual problems that may cause later on and do not bother those that started today.

As long we are on one page with this, go on to do whatever you like.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Look, it may be that climate change is occuring, it may be it is not. But IF it is, and you have done nothing to prevent it despite enough ppl giving a warning, then please also take care of the eventual problems that may cause later on and do not bother those that started today.

As long we are on one page with this, go on to do whatever you like.

You write as though the earth has never gotten warm in the past

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

You write as though the earth has never gotten warm in the past

I am writing about the changes this warming of temperatures brought in the past.
Case in point, last ice age.
Or to specify, i am not afraid about a warmer climate in the future. I do worry over the transition time, however.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I am writing about the changes this warming of temperatures brought in the past.
Case in point, last ice age.
Or to specify, i am not afraid about a warmer climate in the future. I do worry over the transition time, however.

We are just at the verge of exiting the warming period that follows each ice age, its like clock work...warm is better than cold, just enjoy the bikini's.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

We are just at the verge of exiting the warming period that follows each ice age, its like clock work...warm is better than cold, just enjoy the bikini's.

We currently are in a warmth period "within" a cold period, to be exact.
It should be getting colder again, not warmer. And as I said, I do not worry about the climate effects. I am worrying about the political and economic effects.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

We currently are in a warmth period "within" a cold period, to be exact.
It should be getting colder again, not warmer. And as I said, I do not worry about the climate effects. I am worrying about the political and economic effects.

It is getting colder, right on time. Arctic ice thickening, most ice in years. Glaciers advancing world wide, 500 just in the Himalayas alone, sun spots down to near nothing in activity. Fear the cold!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

It is getting colder, right on time. Arctic ice thickening, most ice in years. Glaciers advancing world wide, 500 just in the Himalayas alone, sun spots down to near nothing in activity. Fear the cold!

Yeah, and if this continues for a successive 10 years, then maybe it's time to relax. Or to start worrying in the opposite direction.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Yeah, and if this continues for a successive 10 years, then maybe it's time to relax. Or to start worrying in the opposite direction.

I think you are right