Thoughts ?

[ElAurens]

Can I just have a pint of bitter please?

I do miss a good English bitter.

It always used to shock the locals at the pub when I (a scrawny at the time American, all of 18 years old) would order a pint at the local when I was in Cambridge in 1972...

Oh, and some good English stilton or cheddar as well please?

But I digress.


One thing I rarely see in these arguments about the real BoB, is the discussion of the production/industrial aspects of the campaign.
Just as the RAF was better organized for the defense of the homeland that the Luftwaffe was for attacking it, British industry was on a far more organized war footing than German industry was.

Aircraft production was constantly rising over the time of the fighting, in stark contrast to German aircraft production, that was not really keeping pace with losses, though the Germans did not understand this at the time.

Also, the British aircraft industry was dispersed enough that taking it out in total could not happen.

And we must also take into account the fact that the RAF was a very mature organization. It had a depth of experience that the very young Luftwaffe simply could not match. Add in all of these factors, and the fact that the Luftwaffe was so overly politicized, and the outcome should never really have been a surpise.


Carry on.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by FFCW_Urizen

Nah, me just hates dried blood in a sausage, biltong on the other hand sounds interesting

Biltong's almost identical to Beef Jerky if you ask me. Both recently available in the UK. Bloody expensive for what you get though. My brother reckons you may as well buy dog chews. Maybe he's right but I wouldn't like to try.

Anyway, Black Pudding is an almost global phenomenon.

Blutwurst looks pretty much the same to me.

@ El, yes, all washed down with a nice pint of Theakston's Best Bitter.

@ Stern - I'm not disputing that the 109 E4 was the better armed fighter of the Battle, merely Holland's exaggeration of the fact. Those are my 'Thoughts' after viewing the clip. And your thoughts are what exactly? Relative to the clip, I mean?

[Sternjaeger II]

Blitzpig,what you're saying about industrial dispersion is right, but defining the 1940s RAF as a "mature organisation" is laughable: they operated a fleet that had been developed in WW1 times and operated on such standards,whilst the Luftwaffe had the precious advantage of the Spain Civil War,which created a lot of "experten",brought modifications to the aircraft and above all helped developing effective tactics. It took the RAF quite some time to catch up,and it wouldn't have gone far,hadn't the Americans intervened in '41.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Biltong's almost identical to Beef Jerky if you ask me. Both recently available in the UK. Bloody expensive for what you get though. My brother reckons you may as well buy dog chews. Maybe he's right but I wouldn't like to try.

Anyway, Black Pudding is an almost global phenomenon.

Blutwurst looks pretty much the same to me.

@ El, yes, all washed down with a nice pint of Theakston's Best Bitter.

@ Stern - I'm not disputing that the 109 E4 was the better armed fighter of the Battle, merely Holland's exaggeration of the fact. Those are my 'Thoughts' after viewing the clip. And your thoughts are what exactly? Relative to the clip, I mean?

Bavarians are odd, too much austrian and bohemian influence for their own good. Coming from the Rhineland, this is a propper meal



In regards to the debate at hand, we can concentrate on aircraft performance, we can concentrate on logistics and tactics, but none of that will change the fact that once you encounter a good pilot, it really does not matter as much what plane you are sitting in. All what counts is how good you are in using your chances to actually hit when the opportunity arises.

[Sternjaeger II]

Dutch,I believe you're misinterpreting what they're saying there.
Cannon rounds were a big scare among pilots and crews,and as you can tell from the pilot's memories it had a big psychological effect on them (something like the Germans being scared of the Spit and believing they had been shot down by one,even when it was a Hurricane or a Defiant!).

We always seem to forget the scare factor when it comes to war,probably cos we're used to Esc+Fly Again too much..

[FFCW_Urizen]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Blutwurst looks pretty much the same to me.

I think it is the same, first time i tried a Blutwurst, i almost vomited it on an instant

@bongodriver: Now you did it, i´m hungry, damn, and no Wurst here

@Bewolf: Ok, i can identify Blutwurst, but what is the Rest. By the Way, real Rhinelanders prefer a good Currywurst with Pommes.
Kölle Alaaf

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It took the RAF quite some time to catch up,and it wouldn't have gone far,hadn't the Americans intervened in '41.

That would be 1942 I believe.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Blitzpig,what you're saying about industrial dispersion is right, but defining the 1940s RAF as a "mature organisation" is laughable: they operated a fleet that had been developed in WW1 times and operated on such standards,whilst the Luftwaffe had the precious advantage of the Spain Civil War,which created a lot of "experten",brought modifications to the aircraft and above all helped developing effective tactics. It took the RAF quite some time to catch up,and it wouldn't have gone far,hadn't the Americans intervened in '41.

I'm not talking tactics here.

Tacitics are for n00bs in any discussion of campaigns.

The RAF was better organised as an air force, they were better led, and had better logistical support, and as we all know, logistics wins wars, not single engagement tactics.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

That would be 1942 I believe.

Land Lease started much earlier, so did US involvement in the Atlantic.

[bongodriver]

But those convoys weren't bringing Spitfires, Hurricanes or even Merlins, so what exact American supplies were used in the early part of the war by the Brits?