what would dogfights be like now if jets and missiles had not been invented

haitch40 · #1 11-19-2009, 02:50 PM

id love an extra300 or edge 540 with twin mini guns

Ancient Seraph · #2 11-19-2009, 02:53 PM

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10124

And Cessna Suicide Squads ofcourse.

fuzzychickens · #3 11-19-2009, 07:30 PM

SU-26 will be in storm of war as a bonus for aerobatics fans.

Just a FYI.

Raw Kryptonite · #4 11-19-2009, 07:46 PM

All planes would be an A-10 but with a computer controlled turret for up close.

...or Tesla and rail guns like Crimson Skies and Ace Combat.

InfiniteStates · #5 11-20-2009, 09:51 AM

X-Wings and TIE Fighters FTW

haitch40 · #6 11-20-2009, 11:47 AM

oh you sorta got the wrong idea i ment it would be great fun with state of the art prop planes and miniguns

Raw Kryptonite · #7 11-20-2009, 12:39 PM

Ah, then an A-10 with pusher props in the back.

SEE · #8 11-20-2009, 12:43 PM

Not Props but the last Jet 'dogfights' were apparently during the Korean War between Sabre and MIG. This period was the undeclared war between USSR and USA as Russian Pilots (not Korean) flew the MIG in combat against the Sabre. The USSR were not prepared to lose MIGs or let one be captured hence the Russian piloting. Unfortunately, they didn't bank on one of their pilots defecting with a MIG.

During the dogfight period the Sabre was outclassed by the MIG IIRC apart from one well documented fight between a single Sabre and a number of MIGs. The Sabre Pilot engaged the MIGs until he ran out of Ammo and still managed to get the Sabre back in one piece.

Soviet Ace · #9 11-20-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SEE

Not Props but the last Jet 'dogfights' were apparently during the Korean War between Sabre and MIG. This period was the undeclared war between USSR and USA as Russian Pilots (not Korean) flew the MIG in combat against the Sabre. The USSR were not prepared to lose MIGs or let one be captured hence the Russian piloting. Unfortunately, they didn't bank on one of their pilots defecting with a MIG.

During the dogfight period the Sabre was outclassed by the MIG IIRC apart from one well documented fight between a single Sabre and a number of MIGs. The Sabre Pilot engaged the MIGs until he ran out of Ammo and still managed to get the Sabre back in one piece.

That's also why historians and others, call the Korean War. The 'Last of the Gunfighters'. Because that's all they used. Machine-guns and Cannons. No missiles of anything like they had in the late 50s and through Vietnam.

And actually, there were only a number of Russian pilots flying for the Koreans. The USSR mostly had what the Americans had in Vietnam: Military Advisors.

SEE · #10 11-20-2009, 05:10 PM

Look up the recorded Pilot Kills for the MIG agianst the Sabre during the Korean war and you will see that the vast majority of the pilots were Russian. They were supposed to be 'advisors' but the USA knew full well that they were flying in combat and, for obvious reasons, this information at the time was kept from the public domain.