Thread: Re: Ta-183
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Old 11-15-2014, 06:57 PM
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First up, the Ta 183. My understanding was that the original Ubisoft developers found engineering flaws with the tail assembly, so factored in 'correctives' of strengthening this area, with corresponding significant weight increases to the aircraft, with corresponding diminished aircraft performance. Also, it is my recollection that the developers incorporated the Jumo 004 rather than the anticipated more powerful HeS 011, thereby substantially under powering the designers original specifications with again, a serious degradation of performance.
Of all the "fantasy-waffe" aircraft in IL2:1946, I found the Ta-183 to be the most reasonable in terms of engineering assumptions and performance. Given that in, many ways, it was the precursor to the the FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II design, I'd suggest that it have performance no better than that plane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IAe_33_Pulqui_II

The problem with the engineering assumptions about the tail assembly is that there weren't any huge advancements in airframe materials at the time, even by nations with lavish R&D budgets and massive and undamaged industrial infrastructure, like the U.S.

At best, you could use magnesium to lighten the airframe, but there's not any really good strong material available - you'd need to use steel and that's heavy.

The engine upgrade is a more reasonable assumption.

Not to be discouraging, but it seems like alterations of a "what-if" aircraft that literally never made it off the drawing board before the war ended are best left as mods.

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Given the extraordinary capabilities of the German designers/engineers, especially under the pressures and demands of the late war years, it seems to me that a solution for any structural strengthening of the tail section would have been found that would have overcome any such problem without such drastic weight penalties as have been used by the Ubisoft team, but I understand this will be a debated topic.
There are two basic scenarios where "Luftwaffe Jets Win WWII". First, and most reasonable, is that in 1940 the Luftwaffe realizes that there will be a "long war" and goes all in on producing the new jet designs. Simultaneously, Hitler has a rare flash of good sense and stops ordering that every plane the Luftwaffe makes have dive bombing capacity.

The second scenario, which is a bit less likely, is that Germany gets a respite in 1943 or 1944 and then restarts the war after it has a chance to recover some of its industrial base.

IL2:1946 assumes the latter option, where Germany and the USSR make a separate peace in 1944 (presumably German doesn't lose at Stalingrad and the 1944 Summer Offensives are smashing German victories). Simultaneously, the Normandy Landings end in failure for the Western Allies.

That puts the Western Allies mostly out of the picture, and allows both the USSR and Germany time to field improved equipment when the war resumes in 1946.
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