[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That thread shows a lot more than I think you realize. I think everyone here should take the time to read that thread. All 100+ pages of it and compare it to the reality 12+ months later.. Very interesting stuff. That 113 page thread thread went from 11/21/07 to 1/10/08 and pretty much covered just about every argument pro and con on the mods.

Funny enough, main points against the mods stand strong as the facts are very simple and undeniable.

Carguy the " mod supporters", at least the ones here, don't have to deny jack. The history speaks for itself. The work speaks for itself. Look at that thread. Really read the whole thing, including many of your posts, and compare it with the facts of today.. Oh.. that's right.. you cant do that... you quit IL2 when that thread was being made most likely.. because it was the end of the world right?

I`m not one bit surprised that you keep on spilling the same BS. After all, you were one of the first to force the mod support topics into the IL2 forums which led others to follow.
What history?Work?Oh, you mean the numerous quotes from the 1C officials that accept the mods - a blatant cracking of the IL2 code and Maddox intellectual property?

Oh that`s quite right - as far as I`m concerned there aren`t any such quotes, because 1C position on mods stays the same.

And might I repeat the main point - whatever happens to the IL2 code stays in decision of the legitimate decision maker which is Oleg Maddox I believe.
Anything done to damage his intelectual property is wrong, hence the mods are also wrong.

It`s obvious that I don`t have the knowledge of the 2008 year practice with mods because I quit in December 2007.
The rules are clear enough though and did not change. I don`t really need to know anything more.

So basically anything you have to say on the subject is coming from misinformation and speculation on what happened in other sims way back when.. Y'know, it's interesting. 95% of the stuff in there as far as worries and prophecies of doom for online flying in IL2 from several people, YOU included, have not even come to pass. Not even close. Right now there are over 600 folks on HL.. on a Tuesday @1915 EST. So much for the death of online play...

As far as online goes, the end of it came when flying online on CRT=2 servers with switched FM parameters was tested with a positive result.

Fair and square flying became non existant. If the year 2008 proved anything - it proved that what is valuable for IL2 fans and cheat free online society supporters, is next to nothing for those willing to consume new - uncertified - addons to the game just to suit their consumerism needs.

So don`t twist my words. I have always meant end of fair online play, not all of the IL2 online gaming.

I said it then.. I'll say it now... the sim is hacked. Get over it.

Confirmed many times - ignorance is bliss.

If you cant do that then do like Carguy did and leave... but STFU about it because it is a moot point.

You`re right to an extent. The point of preventing the destruction of online play is moot. What is left from it is a great disapointment in people who I talked with, flew with, in my squad and others. People who proved to be two faced opportunists.

The only thing left for me from IL2 is sense of dignity and that I am, as an IL2 supporter, a man of my word.

The old arguments need to be revised. Like them or not, there is no denying that the mods have not hurt the sim. They have not ruined online flying. The expected FM & DM mods have not come en masse.... Most of the mods are functional improvements and immersion boosters.. and as I have said from day one.. they aren't going anywhere no matter who likes them or doesnt. Those who insist on seeing the doom and gloom where there is none need to look at today and stop looking at this issue from the prism of the past.

Look above, nothing has changed - you still participate in illegal exploit of the IL2 code against its creator.

If there`s anyone that is a legitimate voice is the person that posseses the intellectual right s to it - that person is still Oleg Maddox. I have not follwed IL2 since a while so maybe the property got sold. Fill me in if the buyer said it is ok to mod IL2. I`ll turn 180 degrees.
Oleg Maddox said it`s ruining the sim and online play - and the clear rules state his words, not yours, state the facts.

You can compare this to stealing a 1000$ every month from a bank account belonging to a milionaire. Jeeez! Doesn`t make him any difference if we steal 1000$ every month from him, does it?
Then why does the carnal law all over the world prosecutes this kind of practice?

that they are somehow bad people or have tarnished the community.

and people had issues with patches... official patches.. that they are somehow bad people or have tarnished the community.

Somehow...yes, they are bad people in a sense. In sense of stealing from the owner of the IL2 code. It is obvious that the vast majority of you people have gone the easy way of consuming the game to your needs independetly from the above. Many of you actually know that you`re doing a bad thing, though the numbers that stand behind you make you feel somewhat less responsible or even innocent o participating in it. People like me seem to ruin your day, because I keep reminding you that you`re undoubtedly an asshole. The carnal law names the doings as a crime, which tends to agree with the brightest minds of this world that the intellectual property needs a very strict protection. I wouldn`t exactly compare you to a guy who kills a human being, but the law says exactly what you`re doing when applying the mods.

The thing that is shocking to me, is that the urge to consume the hell outta anything, this game too, makes you people forget about the meaning of your doings and the consequences altoghether.

If there`s so many of you, an your opinions ensist on making the cracking of the game legal, good, beneficial to 1C, why don`t you just convince them?
Oh, they STILL think it`s wrong? They must be idiots to the same extent that I, and few other IL2 supporters are.

If that is what you DID mean then I totally disagree with you and I say that the fact that 12+ months after the initial "crime" there are NOT widespread FM-DM-Wep mods, hack kiddies have NOT taken over the sim, UFOs have not invaded HyperLobby , in all this the community is generally policing itself.

Funny how you keep sticking to the less significant factor of the case. I`m telling you keep actively supporting illegal practice, you say it is totally ok because it doesn`t hurt IL2 online play.
Well, the difference between you and me is that you keep voicing an opinion whereas I`m saying what is totally objective, because it is sanctioned by law.

Now all this may go to rot in a year or two... if that is to be the case that was the fact the moment the sim was hacked and you and others like you can shortchange yourself by not flying... or whatever you want to do. Me? I am going to continue to enjoy this sim that I have invested thousands in flying over the past 7 years... and enjoy the h@ll out of it while I can.

You particulary disgust me, as you often told how you support IL2 Sturmovik. And probably you still think so. Go ahead and enjoy it while you can, just do me a favor and refrain from telling others that what you`re participating in is any good.