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Old 12-07-2012, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Crumpp View Post
Right....

What you don't understand is that speed reduction reduces radius and improves turn performance until Va is reached.

The airplane that slows down the fastest to Va will win the instantenous turn fight..
Right

which still puts the Spitfire at advantage (which you have confirmed yourself) having extensively reminded us of how longitudinaly unstable the Spit is and how easy it was to put load on due to it's sensitivity in pitch it is going to be the best at bleeding off that energy quickly, like you said before the 109 really must keep speed up in order to have a turn advantage over the Spit.



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Exactly.

He is flying a yo-yo and not a constant altitude turn. By combining the climb advantage of the Bf-109 at low speed climbs with the advantage of the slats, Erwin Leykauf is defeating the constant altitude turn performance advantage of the Spitfires he is fighting.
Yes....assuming the Spitfire remains in a level turn, in which case the Spitfire is simply making a mistake rather than suffering a disadvantage, the Spit has the option to extend away by split 's' and dive and wait for the 109 to chase and pull him into another attempt at turning.


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Are you fishing and this is bait?

What was the condition of the Bf-109 and the pilot? Was the aircraft damaged? Was the pilot wounded? Was it a real spin or did the pilot pass out??

In otherwords, it is an interesting story but without the details definately does not contradict the findings of the RLM or the RAE.
it seems overly paranoid of you to view this with such scepticism, it is simply an account of a 109 making a piloting mistake and spinning, nothing sinister.

Last edited by taildraggernut; 12-07-2012 at 10:56 AM.