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Originally Posted by Robo.
Kurfurst I suggest you talk to the 109 pilots who are in perfect control of their aircraft and never stall it even in very aggressive maneuveurs (that someone here claimed to be impossible).
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*sigh* point me in the direction of these experience pilots. Besides you do not seem to get the point - the problem is not that the 109 stalls (it should) neither that it does not outturn RAF planes (it shouldn't though getting near to it's turn limit SHOULD be easier than on those) but HOW it stalls. Stalls are extremely violent on this aircraft and spins occur often.
And apparently it's not just my problem. And dear Sir, I fly the 109 since original Il-2 beta - I have never had the problem with it like it's in Il2, well, except for something was extremely badly sc***d up with the G-6's FM.
"Word came from the Luftwaffe out of Antwerp early in the spring of 1943 that many pilots had experienced spin problems with the Me109 G and had to bail out. Numerous airplanes had been lost. Karl Baur's first reaction: "This is almost a foolproof airplane. How do these guys accomplish that?" The Me 109 had a relatively high wing loading (32.2 lb/sq ft) and therefore stalled readily under heavy G forces but the stall was gentle and the aircraft exhibited good control under G forces. If the stick was eased forward the aircraft immediately unstalled with no tendency to flick over on its back and spin. While not totally spin proof it took a fairly ham fisted pilot to get into trouble in the Me 109.
It took Karl several nerve wracking flights before he was able to get a Me 109 into a spin. Finally, after he had tried every possible dog fight maneuver, he had it figured out. It was during those split seconds before going into a vertical dive that it was possible to get this airplane to spin. Only rough flying inexperienced pilots were able to do it. Karl's solution to the problem was very simple. He advised: "Drop the landing gear boys, and the spin will end immediately." The dropped landing gear would appear to lower the airspeed and reduce the severity of the yaw (the movement around the normal axis of the aircraft, i.e. direction stability). Once the aircraft is not spinning (yawning) around its center of gravity the aircraft being in a nose down attitude accelerates and becomes unstalled.
p.86 of: A Pilot's Pilot, Karl Baur - Chief Test Pilot for Messerschmitt by Isolde Baur
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I wonder if FF helps, I am using MSFF2 joystick and I can really 'feel' the aircraft.
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Maybe, but I do not have a FFB joystick. I tried it once at a friends, but it behaved very weird in CLOD.
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Hurricane's stall behaviour is much worse than 109s btw, with droping the wing if you're not careful.
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Yes, the Hurri definietely sucks in this regard - but I do not know how the Hurris stall characteristics were.