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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

So may I humbly suggest that 1c allow TD the chance make CloD work as it actually should by letting them read the bugtracker and fix the most 'popular' bugs still present.

That's very unlikely, I don't think that anybody in DT have such interest. I can only speak for myself and I can tell you that I will not work on anything CloD and its sequel related without the pay. So if somebody put the money on the table than why not, there are far worse jobs out there but for free no way.

Originally Posted by salmo

I would be rushing to get TD alone to monopolise potential future development. There are many talented individuals in the community that could improve COD given the chance.

Nobody stops them to contact Luthier and give him their proposition for future development of the CloD.

Originally Posted by zapatista

you really think they are going to give away their source code to let a few amateurs tinker with it and waste the millions it took to get where we got to now

rather odd idea

What's wrong with amateurs? Amateurs contributed a lot to mankind in many fields, especially programming. Kids from school are often doing amazing things.

And how would "amateurs" ruin the code with bugfixing, it is rather silly that you are afraid of 3rd party in game that was riddled with bugs from the get go. It would be more logical to be afraid of developers who released the game with so many bugs. Not that you have to be afraid of them but why you think that other developers would be worse?

BTW DT programmers have one form or another of formal education in programming so we qualify as amateurs only in terms of money reward for our work. OTOH our modelers have done payed work for Il2 and other flight sims so we are not amateurs in that area either.

Originally Posted by Red Dragon-DK

I hope Never to see DT in this sim. They have there own agenda and try to push all others away.

Of course that we have an agenda, we are an organized group. As for pushing others away, really, are you serious, who are that others anyway?

Originally Posted by Red Dragon-DK

Luther have already said, that more updates will come in the sequel. So there is no reson at all, to give DT access to fix bugs. A proposal that do not have its justified, in my believe.

If you gave DT access to CLOD as a stand alone Sim it would not merge with the sequel.

If we do it for free than it makes lot of sense to use us for bugfixing, they could benefit even if they pay us. I didn't see the CloD code but many of the reported bugs suggest that lot of the problems in CloD are transfered from Il2 to CloD, especially in FM and AI, our knowledge and experience could help them a lot to speed up the development in these areas.

In case of standalone sim that is not necessarily bad for 1C, game engines are sold or licensed under different terms on regular basis. I highly doubt that 1C would hesitate to sell game engine to anybody who offer them the right money. IMO their bigger problem is lack of potential buyers than anything else.

Originally Posted by BigC208

TD to the bug fixing rescue? I think the TD guys enjoy bringing in new content and effects, not so much fix bugs. Also giving TD acces to the source code is much too risky. It's Luthier's Golden Goose. Next thing you know it get's leaked and content/theatres that they wanted to make and sell themselves will be available for free.

Apart from adding new stuff to the Il2 we have fixed hundreds of bugs, but that don't gets as much public attention as new features and TBH we don't document every fix in readme.

Danger for code leaks is always present but you are right, more people involved bigger the danger.

Originally Posted by klem

I wouldn't want to see an independent third party given access to the CoD code. TD may have a good reputation in IL-2 '46 but that is only part of the story. The code is 'out there' and there are/were the Ultrapack mods, the HSFX mods and the AllAircraft guys mods before that. The online servers became a mess and the community fragmented.

Even if 1C were to use third party developers tied by their small tender parts to a nasty contract, the code would inevitably escape somehow.

Il2 code is out there because game was hacked, that can and probably will happen to CloD and it's sequels too but that doesn't have any similarity with licensing the game engine to other developers. It is interesting that you somehow think that code is safe in 1C hands and it will be compromised if it is sold to somebody else. Why, it is quite possible that other developers have better security system than Maddox games?