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Originally Posted by Gaston
I know that is the claim of Eric Hartmann for his victims, but, in fact, if one reads often and a lot about aerial combat, one is always immediately struck how well aware of their environment even Me-109G pilots were, despite the supposedly poor visibility of this aircraft: Hardly ever in these accounts is the victim unaware of the attacker...:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...r-reports.html
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...t-reports.html
Furthermore, in the above 1200+ combat accounts, I can recall exactly one account that I remember specifically involving a P-47 dive and zooming his target (unsuccessfully, but at least helping him evade this FW-190A that was badly out-turning him, achieving this by zooming above it from low altitude)...
I know you haven't read them, because if you had you would know how absurd is your notion that the Me-109G can turn with the P-47D...
As for the Spitfire, given that current theory gives it a 50-60% wingloading advantage over the FW-190A, you have to wonder where are all these combat accounts displaying this advantage at low speeds... (And why only examples and statements to the contrary have surfaced, aside the TsAGI numbers).
For the Spitfire, a lot of diving at target, and never any sustained turning...
You ask for evidence but evidently you won't read it...
Gaston |
Actually I have read them, as proven by the example I found previously and I am not afraid to use them to prove my point.
I have a challange for you. Pick any combat, from any of the lists you like, be it a Spitfire, P47, P51 whatever, totally your choice. And we will analyse the ten combats either side of the one you picked and see how many of those involved involved a turning horizontal combat.
I repeat the choice of aircraft, list and combat is totally yours. I don't think I can be fairer than that.
Lets see if you are willing to use those combat reports to prove your point
Its Totally your choice
PS while you are at it can you find an example of the P47 not being able to turn with the Fw 190, that might help prove your point.
PPS Looking at the P47 list of combats, look at the fourth on the list key points, I dived onto him, closed to 50 yards, broke over him and climbed into the sun. It took me about 4 mins to find an example
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...on-14jan44.jpg