[JG14_Josf]

Josf try one fight with Robo or Bliss 1 vs 1 on 109 and you will see what are they talkin about.

vranac,

Suppose I had and interest in hearing more ambiguous claims of nothing specific, if we are to go way off the topic of Energy Maneuverability, then I could carefully listen to these ambiguities, and I'd ask myself questions like "Why am I wasting my time with these people who speak in ambiguities?"

Now you offer more of the same?

What exactly do you think these people are telling you that you think I aught to know?

Are they telling me what is the percent advantage in Corner Speed one plane has coded into it over another plane?

How about me reporting the best effort I have so far in accurately identifying the 109 Corner Speed, and then someone, some expert, some person who does actually know it all, sets me straight on the actual in game Corner Speed of the 109, which is not 350 km/h, rather it is 336 km/h, when fuel load is at 25% and recorded at 4,000 meters, and this person says something along the lines of "Hey, I can show you, let's log onto the Server before your regular squad night tomorrow, and I can have you follow me in a Windup Turn and if you can match my Corner Speed then we both can record the event and we both can know that both our planes, from both our computers, fly the same 109 Corner Speed, and we can even send each other our own track files, and you can see, and I can see, and anyone else can see, that our pilots are at the same amount of grey out, and will that be an on Topic type of event or would you prefer to deal with dishonest people who may or may not show up, may or may not have some secret program cheat going, may or may not have any clue as to what this Topic is about, and may or may not be looking for argument for the sake of argument?

Then, suppose, we both trade off, me and this mythical person, where mythical person A, we can call him A if we want, is on-line in a Spitfire while I fly on-line with a 109, and now we test relative Corner Speeds with the same follow the leader Windup Turn Test, same track files, same exchange of track files, and then we can document which plane has the better Corner Speed coded in the game and we can do so unambiguously.

Now, this is a discussion, and I have no shortage of competent sim pilots to work with, I don't need more "experts" wasting my time with their own axes to grind. If this game lasts past Beta and our squad remains interested in it then my interests in quantifying Energy Maneuverability will inspire specific things done by me, with people in my squad, and I can thank you for the advice, but I can also ask you "What is the point?"

What do you think, without ambiguity, these people, who already prop themselves up as authorities over what I think in my own mind, will teach me EVER?

So far they have taught me to stop wasting my time dealing with them.

So now, please, tell me what, exactly, these other people are going to teach me, according to your understanding of what exactly I want to know, as if I have not yet stated exactly what I want to know more than once.

Such as:

Cornering Speed: "The lowest air speed at which a fighter can obtain the structural or aerodynamic limiting G force."

In the "dogfight" situation, this is the speed I'm trying to maintain in order to "out-turn" an adversary. It's also the speed above which I must excercise caution to prevent "Over-G" damage. Below this speed I must remain "Stall vigilant.

Is there a central location where the cornering speeds of CLoD aircraft can be found?

More than that, there is the matter of actually plotting the Accelerated Stall line, if possible, and then there are neat things to know like the relative advantages and disadvantages of unloaded (dive and zoom) rates of acceleration and deceleration, along the lines of an absolute value for each plane, say: The Maximum Peak Rate of Acceleration, and a known time from the level flight stall to 100 km/h above Corner Speed, and then a "which plane zooms higher from the same altitude and same starting speed?" type knowable and quantitative advantage, documented in meters one plane tops out above another plane, or number of plane lengths one plane can zoom higher than the other, recorded on a track files, or some other unambiguous measure that does not change with a word in English from "lots" to "some" and then to "mucho" dude - cause' I said so.

When our Squad gets busy with these things: we figure it out, but thanks, and please consider just cluing me in yourself, if you think there is something I want to know, other than the things I'm asking to know - precisely.

Level Acceleration Rate for the 109 at the peak rate of level Acceleration and the Airspeed at that peak, and compare that to the same known performance measure for the Spitfire?

Do you think I want to know what I ask to know or do you think that I want to know what you think I want to know?

I'm asking, because I don't assume to know what you are thinking. Do you think it is strange that I don't assume to know what you are thinking?

I am asking, rather than assuming that I know the answer concerning what you do or do not think.