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Josf - Did you happen to read what I said? You're asking questions over the simplest of statements. I've flown this sim for over 2000 hours. One can imagine that my experience, along with individuals like Robo, have led me to that very simple observation that I posted before your last remark.

That's why both I and Robo suggest you fly the sim a bit more and why we both suggested you'll come to the same conclusion. Again, I'm not worried about the why, the technicalities, the specs of why x is better than y. I just simply have the experience.

Edit: And the reason people, (including 109 pilots) are chiming in on this thread is because you are trying to say the spitfire is the obvious winner in almost all aspects of flight (in comparison of the 2). Which may be the case from your limited experience and observations thus far with Cliffs. But the reality is the 109 holds all the cards. Perhaps if you make your observations / tests after 1000 hours of online combat, you would see the same thing. Basically what I was saying in the 1st place.

Hopefully you'll understand what I'm saying this time. I don't know how I could make it any more simple.