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Originally Posted by Crumpp

All aircraft at the same angle of bank and velocity will make exactly the same turn. So if a Cessna Corvalis and a Boeing 747 are going 200 knots and banks 60 degrees, they will both make the same rate and radius of turn.

Yes this is true. For a graph of a hypothetical situation, but if it was actual dogfight, the Cessna would outturn the 747. I understand what you're saying though.

Originally Posted by Crumpp

So that diagram shows the Spitfire cannot realize a sustained turn performance advantage until it reaches the portion of the envelope the Bf-109 cannot fly in anyway.

Diagram shows something that did not exist in real life and luckily it does not exist in the sim either. Spitfire can realize the turn performance advantage at almost any moment unless the speed difference is largely in favour of the 109 - at which point the 109 pilot won't try to enter a pure turning competition (and that's what we're talking here about) anyway.

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Then the Bf-109 must reduce its angle of bank in order to match speed and the Spitfire can sustain a higher angle of bank in that portion of the envelope.

First pilot to reduce the angle of bank is very likely to lose the (turn)fight. If the 109 pilot gains speed and climbs we haven't got pure turnfight anymore and we can't speak of sustained turn either. Of course, in real virtual dogfights this is exactly what happens and both pilots usually fly yo-yos and the turn is egg-shaped rather than a circle etc. There is much more to it in actual combat. Sustained horizontal turn rate is still very important when it comes to TnB and this is where Spitfire beats the 109. (still depending on the pilots of course).

Originally Posted by Crumpp

If a Spitfire enters a turn fight with a Bf-109, the Bf-109 can force the Spitfire into this low speed realm. The Bf-109 will simply outturn or match any Spitfire that tries to remain at the same speed or maintain velocity.

I suggest you start flying these combat flight sims, while you're hangin around on the forums you might as well want to actually try what you're typing in here. It won't work I am telling you now

Originally Posted by Crumpp

So both pilots have to make a choice. The Spitfire pilot can choose to hold onto his airspeed and be shot down. The Bf-109 pilot can choose to follow the Spitfire into the low speed realm and be shot down.

This is as wrong as it can get mate

Originally Posted by Crumpp

The Bf-109 pilot can precisely attain and hold a target load factor to achive maximum performance.

Any pilot can do that. Of course pilot skill plays a huge role in here, too. There are more tricks in how to outturn your opponent and win the edge. This is where the human factor comes in. But speaking strictly of the machines and the sustained turn potential, Spitfire would be the winner at typical TnB speeds. That's why any sane 109 pilot avoids TnB with a Spitfire.

Originally Posted by Crumpp

The Spitfire requires a skilled pilot to precisely achieve and maintain a target load factor in order to achieve maximum performance.

Actually it's the other way around. Average Spitfire pilot will outturn any average 109 pilot hands down when it comes to sustained turn. It requires exceptional 109 pilot (esp. engine management and stall control, very clean rudder) to outturn a decent Spitfire pilot in a proper turnfight.

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Understand?

I understand that you have no experience with virtual dogfight. Your theoretical knoweledge is useful but you would die in combat if you tried to apply it.