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Originally Posted by Walshy
Indeed they will, but constantly put under such stresses will eventually wear them out, that's what I'm saying, saying that'll never take damage when clocked is not what happens in reality ...
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There are still games, which forces the nvidia cards to run at boost all the time. Misunderstandings happen here. The topic: "better buy 7970 or 670 in THIS game" means for me in zhe current state clearly: buy hd7970 as it provides you enough under ALLL circumstances! Multi monitor or other higher resolution = less possibilty of stutter, caused by vram issues. And YES, here are people talking about stutters on 680, which for sure is mainlycaused by the current driver, but the possibilities to run out of vram is still there.
Walshy, please don't get personal and stop to make yourself so big. You can be expert of whatever you want, but this is currently not changing anything in my result to give the initial poster the information for THIS game!
You are right with problems in il2, but nvidia had issues, too. Workarounds were normal, especually in these days without that regular support activities from the hardware companies. It was less frequently and so, you had issues more often.
I never meant to say, that overclocking do not stress, but the BOM of the ati card is quite a good quality and the card materials compared to the nvidia are more expensive. I do not say that it directly causes better performance, but the card itself has good materials. Gpu is "underclocked" as ati also say with the fact, that new cards are revised and got the name 1ghz editions. You and me are simply not able to say anything about lifetime in this case.
I just do not have a sufficient link, but a simple magazine, i do not care. Some big magazines already revised their benchmarking methods and also had to say, that their initial test reaults are too much "pro" nvidia. The whole results, which came out on release of the 680 were some kind of weird. And I only saw 1 or 2 websites with a reasonable testing. Reasonable to me is the following situation:
Nvidia uses boost and it uses it, when needed. So, in benchmarks it will use it very often or nearly always. So, we cannot compare the cards directly. So, we have to find a solution for it and as they are high end cards for enthusiasts, who know how to get all out of it, we should take a look over stock cooled reference cards, overclocked to its stable maximum.
This test was made by only a few websites. The result, comparing the 680 overclocked (currently do not know the spec on that, but it was even higher than the overclockings of some big magazines) and the hd7970 @1200/1500 was very interesting and showed, that it is close together, but the whole package of features provided by ati was better, so that ati got the lead and their award for the fastest card. You never can say, that it is all true, but this was the only good benchmarking at release in the whole web.
Overclocking leads to shorter lifetime-> not comparable as you just do not know all influences and material behaviours. You will have to look on your warranty. After this period, the card can break any day and you are not able to do anything. They could also have implemented life time dependend parts, which simply forces the card to die after some years. This is known from lamp or mobile phone lifetimes, which are more and more designed to die in a certain timeframe, to sell new products.
It is just dumb NOT to overclock your card, if it is needed. That is my opinion. Or do you try to use a card more than 4 years? Perhaps your next solution is to undervolt all components to safe equipment lifetime.
BTW, my hd7970 do not get over 45 degrees overclocked. You have critical, lifespan reducing temperatures on the components, which is simply not reached by both: nvidia and ati. You will get graphic problems and instability, before you reach temperatures over the components specs.
Do not take it so serious. It isn't necessary to talk about arse ... Just my opinion. And please do not read between lines to strengthen your diss. Keep it cool. And to shoot back a bit:
If you were working in my company and I see your statement of your jobs, I would fire you. This is unprofessional attitude and you jobs have nowhere near something to do with graphics cards or shouldn't state it in private opinion in a gaming forum, if you do not officially write for your company. BTW, I am asdfjkl engineer in rijfndk ltd. and I have the longest!
what a crap!!! Really!!!