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Originally Posted by Stublerone

Omg, okay. It seems, there is bashing around and you don't want to read all I have written. My card is running on 1080p with up to 2.7gb vram usage, at least 2.4.

Some other people also report this and we are now talking about "crank up means only high?". If I talk about crank up the system, please totally crabk it up, not half!!!

I just see our beloved gtx 680 users taking part in stutter discussions. This is not only, because the drivers are bad for it. Or do you still believe in santa claus? It is lag of memory!! -> that means, you cannot run it cranked up and you COULD get stutters.

Crazy, that lynch is writing something about pro gamer and that I said, that you are all casual gamer. Never talked about that. You just have to avoid mentioning games, which are definetly built to be used with low ram to serve all systems. I never talked about you, i talked about the games, which you are comparing with clod.

The sentence " why is clod running so bad and skyrim not?" just feeds me up and I cannot believe, that someone of this com really wrote that!! Sry, bit that is sad.

I also never talked about the 680 is worse. I said, that the 7970 with its vram should have less problems. The opinion, that even 670s are running faster than 7970 is simply not true.
Bf3 is an nvidia game and the 680 initially was not faster, which was a shocking moment for all nvidia guys. They now solved it with bf3 patches and nvidia patches. Some of you should be aware of that tactics, working closely together with the game developer and solve out the competitor. Giys, who are into it, know that this was often the case in the fight ati/nvidia. Just wanted to mention that.

Noise, heat and evetually life time lose from overclockinf are just weak statements out of the brochure.

80% of the gamers, deciding to buy one of these cards, will overclock it. Ati has the better bill of material and you will not reduce life span on both cards, except you want to run your card over 6 years. All cards are consuming power and noone in high end will care. It is not much and the standby power consumption is nearly the same.

I do not want to discuss the whole thing. I stated, which is the better card in my opinion and comparing 670 and 7970 is nuts. Take out the boost in the 670 or overclock the hd 7970 will cause, that hd7970 is simply faster!

Btw: I never heard of ati user having generally more problems. Il2 1946 was ati game and clod is also ati game in its current situation, if I just do a wild shot into the dark. Never heard a 7970 user taking part of stutter discussions...

I am no pro gamer, just a guy who really read alot of the situation between 680 and 7970. Only few sides really switch on their minds and benched the cards realistically. What is realistically? High end card users will tweak and overclock. So the only comparison to do is: overclock both cards to its stable maximum and than compare. You can see, that they are closely together and when it com to real high resolution, the 680 in its nvidia nature just cannot compete anymore. High res is not 1080p btw....

Just my opinion, but I dont want to discuss it, as it gets boring. Buy a half kepler, quickly released to avoid damage and be happy.

Sorry but this whole rant is nonsense, he claims to have experience in the technical side of computers, building them and an understanding of the hardware involved. He clearly doesn't have clue and and isn't very experienced in the matter, he hasn't read any hardcore computing magazines that review the whole computing industry and devoted to hardcore gaming or been to any technical websites/forums and devoted to debating at length stuff like this. Since the new nvidia cards have come out AMD, and now no longer ATI as AMD took over the ATI company completely in 2006 for 5.4 billion dollars, has been on the back foot. The nvidia cards are a whole redesign of the Fermi architecture which they began with the 500 series of cards. Overclocking kills cards plain and simple and his statement that overclocking doesn't kill cards shows his complete ignorance on the subject. Overclocking stresses the components and puts them under greater strain to perform, which causes heat and which puts the fans and cooling system under more strain to deal with said heat. Running any sort of rig under those conditions even if your cooling system is a water system eventually those components are going to wear out, and playing demanding at high settings will lower that that threshhold even more! The rreason he doen't want to discuss it anymore is proof he hasn't got a clue about the subject he's talking about and subsequently wouldn't like to show his ignorance! I've been playing IL-2 from the very beginning way back in the days of the IL-2 Sturmovik beta, which I still have somewhere on disc, the nonsense he said about nvidia users having issues with forgotten battles and not ATI users is complete and utter nonsense. I remember discussions going on for hundreds of pages at a time on this forum and also over at the ubisoft forum about graphical issues that ati users encountered with every patch, and discussions at length how tweak the config.ini for a work around! Remember when Pacific Fighters rolled out and the problems ati/AMD users had with the new clouds and water settings? Sorry but don't listen to his half arsed attempts to sound knowledgable. From a computer geek and MCSE/ACMT professional! Oh and stublerone MCSE stands for Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer and ACMT stands for Apple Certified Macintosh Technician go look them up ...