[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

Illogical question. Law abiding gun owners are by definition not criminals. If you mean lawful gun owners then the answer is "no". The answer does not however mean that gun law should be relaxed.

Let's not turn it into a battle of semantics, you know what I meant.

I must confess I don't follow that guns equate to Muslims, it's a bit random. Pick any race, cultural or religious group and the same question can be asked. The answer will be the same - do nothing because a few bad apples doesn't spoil the crop.

Muslims were only an exmaple, pick any other group who has "a few bad apples" and see if you can apply the same logic that the anti-gun fans here would apply.. You'll see that NONE of them will answer my question.

And you display arrogance, assuming that people who do not like guns do not know what they are talking about. You could as easily say that those that do not like guns are more enlightened, educated and better able to make rational decisions. Suggesting that having gun law will lead to regime change is quite a leap of faith and one I don't share.

No, you probably didn't read the previous posts. All of them admitted they don't have experience, and some even say they like guns but they don't want them (?!?!).
And I don't think that owning guns will lead to any regime change, there's no hope for that in our society, it's a matter of leaving me the right and the choice to defend my property and my loved ones in case it's necessary. Depriving a man of these fundamental, instinctive, rights is not fair nor human. The problem is that a lot of people here do not like to take on responsibilities (because owning a gun is first of all a responsibility), they're so weak and selfish that they would never think about giving their families adequate protections, and delegate this responsibility to the institutions.. They live with their head buried in the sand and hope they're not gonna be the ones in the news, but if violence strikes you then what are you gonna say to yourself, that you did all the best you could to defend your rights?
There's a lot of male individuals, but less and less Men...

As with all gun discussion it comes down to cultural differences. If certain countries want relatively easy access to guns then fine, have them. My personal (informed) opinion is that guns are cool and nasty at the same time but the arguments for having them are circular and feed off each other, or they have no grip on reality.

Define "cool and nasty".

But what do I know, I'm a sheep with no intention of bettering myself living in a weak-willed country that is slowly going to hell because we as individual sheep aren't allowed guns - this is a relatively poor attempt at cynical humour.

It's kinda worrying that you see that as cynical humour, it's reality.
If the police forces in the Cumbria shooting were armed, that crazy man wouldn't have carried on killing all that people, because what they told on the news once and once only is the police was following him during his shooting rampage but couldn't intervene cos they weren't armed.
Now go and explain that to the families of the victims, I'm sure they'll be very impressed with that..