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Old 08-02-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II View Post
Crime is on the rise, and the situation is that law abiding citizen are left defenceless and not given the option to defend their loved ones in an appropriate manner.
I am not sure about that.. maybe again it has to do where you live. According to BRĂ… (Crime Prevention Council )*, every year about 90 people on the basis of lethal force in the form of murder, manslaughter and assault with a fatal outcome occurs in Sweden. The number has not changed in the past thirty years (make note that we have almost 1 million more inhabitants) . Neither has deadly violence committed by young people increased over time.
people getting killed are mostly criminals themselves.

Actually the only type of crime that seems to increase dramatically in Sweden are environmental crimes, nothing where a handgun can make a difference..

Edit... robbery has increased marginally the past few years, but it makes more sence (to me anyway) to wear a bicycle helmet than to carry a handgun... looking at risks and potentials to die.

*Swedish Authority which is working to reduce crime and increase security in society. They do this by generating the data and disseminate knowledge about crime, crime prevention and judicial responses to violations.


Statistics for NY:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
quite a dramatic change in comparison to the 90ies.. and it has nothing to do with people arming themselves

Stats for US
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm


PS. Oh dear.. Now I did what I said to myself I shouldn't do... get involved in the debate LOL. Point beeing anyway; the only way one can say crime is on the rise, one has to backup with stats, not with just a "feel"..
But again, as we agreed upon,, it all stems down to one's foundation of values.. where we seem to differ
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