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Originally Posted by bongodriver

English is a Germanic language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language yes it's wikipedia but it was a quick link and I don't see much to dispute.

Certainly is, made it incredible easy to learn. In contrast, I hated French in school.

Still, "berg" in connection with another native english word is rather odd.

Well you obviously haven't appreciated that there's people around...(not necessarily German) who really do push that idea around.

Nope, "appreciated" would be the wrong word here for sure.

I have seen it myself in other threads, I recall one famous MB avro thread in particular where the start of war was litterally justified on the basis that the treaty was a humiliation to Germany....effectively blaming the French for the start of WWII but forgetting why the treaty was made in the first place, and to cap it all look what happened the minute the treaty was contravened.

Avro is an agent Provocateur with a passion. Much bigger complexes over the war then you (or me) appear to show at times. The responses are mostly in kind.

However, the Versailles treaty was a humilation in more ways then most british realize. It was not just the financial conditions and lost territories, it also had to do with some very odd plebiscits in the east, rape on a massive scale during the occupation in the Rhineland by the French. The fact that Germany agreed to the Armistice based on Wilsons 14 point plan which was utterly trashed later in the negotiations. The fact that all war guilt was pushed on Germany, despite the Kaiser actually trying to attempt demobilisation in his letters with the Russian Csar. There are fair treates, and there are treaties especially aimed and kick an opponent already on the ground. This behaviour was expected from the French, not from the british.
The Versailles treaty was the latter and though I do not approve of the Nazis, I actually DO understand why people voted for them back then, also in connection with the Great Depression.

Interesting, I don't have the same experience.......but was the Empire really a bad thing? volcanoes kill people but they are what shape this planet, and back in that day and age Empirism was an innevitability, the civilised world had a hunger for expansion and they were willing to take resources from what they considered savages....so much has changed , India may have been able to enjoy a space programme without the British empire ever existing but you can bet your ass it would have been because of someone elses empire.

Are you judging from todays moral POV, or the historical one? There is a huge difference there.

About bringing civilisation to other parts of the world....would you accept being swallowed by China? Or Germany? Despite them willing to develop your industries?

Absolutely it's not, but here on a forum based on a WWII sim on a discussion about German wartime develpoment at that time?

Still does not justify why german innovations back then and there defense warrents such comparisons. Germany has been an innovative area right throughout it's history, with the printing press or the automobile as some prominent examples.

Here modesty means not 'bragging' or 'boasting' or other means of showing off particular attributes, to preserve ones modesty is to remain clothed or covered, I guess you believe the Brits have a tendency to brag about our higher moral stance with regards to the war etc, but we certainly don't brag about superior we are or crap like that, the British mentality is very much the 'plucky underdog' in that regard.

We also may have some cultural misunderstandings here. In Germany there is a lot of pride in achievements and knowledge and that is widely displayed. Lack of education or downplaying what you managed is rather frowned upon. That may be what you understand as "bragging".

That said, I never percieved or got the impression of "plucky undersdg" when it comes to the UK. It was an Empire, during the time of WW2 "the" dominant world power. I never understood the underdog mentality in the face of the massive overseas ressources the UK had at it's deposal. That is what the Germans thought at that time, and if you believe it or not, no German even in 1939 cheered when the war broke out, especially regarding the expiriences of WWI (UK Naval blokade caused huge famines in Germany during that period. Millions died and even more so when the 1918 flu pandemic hit)