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Originally Posted by bongodriver

I honestly don't think it has been claimed as such, and old habbits die hard as they say eh!

Oh you would not believe home many ppl make it out be like that. These kinda debates almost always come down to this sooner or later. The "alien, superhuman" references playing on the Aryan masterrace bullocks is just the tip of the iceberg. (btw, why does "Iceberg" contain the german word berg, aka "mountain"? It is "Eisberg" in german)

We don't complain about it....seriously we don't, we just have a habbit of reminding people of it

let's Blitz Fritz, eh?=)

The rest of the analogy is a bit like Germany invading Poland and blaming the French.......Ordinarily the Brits could get on board with that but there was a small issue of a previous war ending in an agreement between us and Pierre.

Just that we did not blame the french...well, for that at least.
Generally though I think blaming France is fine.

Are you 60?.....I shall endeavour to be much more respectfull to my elder kidding of course I know what you mean, I symapathise to an extent but somehow it pales when compared to the blame Britain faces for the Empire, the people that perpetrated all of that died centuries ago but for some reason in particular in the UK we are obliged to feel ashamed for being White Anglo Saxons.
Don't be too cynical, you should forgive the attitudes aimed toward an ideology of a campaign aimed at unifying Europe headed effectively by the Germans, Germany most avidly support the EU but on the other hand seem the least comfortable with providing the bailouts to keep it alive, ah the price of maintaining an empire.

UK folks mostly blame themselves for the Empire. If you ask me because they subconciously realize blaming Germany and their own history do not go together too well.
I haven't seen much foreign press in this regard, though I may be wrong here.

The whole empire thing is a double edges sword, however.
The british and other european empires introduced european culture, ideas, customs and fashion all over the world, something that, purely from a business POV, still massivly benefits us all to this very day. Much of our wellbeing depends on that.

I like Germans and am also glad Britain declared war.
I think your annoyance is quite misplaced, I really don't see evidence of any of what you say, it's just unfortunate that your contries recent history can so often be brought up in debate, this topic is a discussion on German innovation which sadly is only due to it's military ambitions at the time, so I don't see how mentioning the war is misplaced here to be honest.

I do not think German innovation is limited to WW2. And I think that is what rubs a lot of Germans the wrong way these days, this implication that it must have been the Nazis with all that stuff. It ingores the developements before and during WWI and the interwar years, as well as modern Germany.

Modesty? the UK is the epitome of modesty, just look at the June 1st update thread and see the measuring contest it turned into, the vulgar claims to how many thousands of aces nations had blah blah with a completely unnecessary yet unchallenged refference to how 'few' the UK had

Well, I guess modesty is a culturally very relative term =)
Are those numbers correct, though?

despite the rant I maintain the sentiment of that hearty cheers and hope you enjoy that drink.

Pfff, it takes a lot more before I take internet history debates so serious that I actually start to dislike people. Esepcially when it is, like in Aces case, just a game of wits anyways