[bongodriver]

What I am aiming at is the the UK did not declare their wars out of humantirian reasons, the way it is always displayed, but pure power politics following century old traditions.

I honestly don't think it has been claimed as such, and old habbits die hard as they say eh!

Actually, I agree. But the british always complain about Germany starting it all, while technically, they declared war on Germany, not vice versa. Imagine Germany declaring war on the UK for invading the Falklands and then blaming you guys for starting it all.


Despite this rant I maintain the sentiment of a hearty cheer and hope you enjoy that drink.

We don't complain about it....seriously we don't, we just have a habbit of reminding people of it
The rest of the analogy is a bit like Germany invading Poland and blaming the French.......Ordinarily the Brits could get on board with that but there was a small issue of a previous war ending in an agreement between us and Pierre.

Imagine 60 years, and pretty much all my life, finger pointing and blames from other nationalities simply for my own nationality, despite never having done anything that would justify such blames. Eventually you adapt. You have to look not further then current news all over Europe to know what I mean.

Are you 60?.....I shall endeavour to be much more respectfull to my elder kidding of course I know what you mean, I symapathise to an extent but somehow it pales when compared to the blame Britain faces for the Empire, the people that perpetrated all of that died centuries ago but for some reason in particular in the UK we are obliged to feel ashamed for being White Anglo Saxons.
Don't be too cynical, you should forgive the attitudes aimed toward an ideology of a campaign aimed at unifying Europe headed effectively by the Germans, Germany most avidly support the EU but on the other hand seem the least comfortable with providing the bailouts to keep it alive, ah the price of maintaining an empire.

No, that is not what I am saying. I actually like the UK. I am actually glad they declared war. I am not even angry over the bombing campaigns at all. That is something Germany brought onto itself for following that gangster.
But I am highly annoyed at the hypocrisy displayed and the way a lot of british try to use those crimes as a knock out argument in any debate over that time.

What I am saying is that Britian should display a bit more modesty when it comes to finger pointing due to their own history, especially at current generation Germans. And also give credit where credit is due at times.

I like Germans and am also glad Britain declared war.
I think your annoyance is quite misplaced, I really don't see evidence of any of what you say, it's just unfortunate that your contries recent history can so often be brought up in debate, this topic is a discussion on German innovation which sadly is only due to it's military ambitions at the time, so I don't see how mentioning the war is misplaced here to be honest.

Modesty? the UK is the epitome of modesty, just look at the June 1st update thread and see the measuring contest it turned into, the vulgar claims to how many thousands of aces nations had blah blah with a completely unnecessary yet unchallenged refference to how 'few' the UK had

despite the rant I maintain the sentiment of that hearty cheers and hope you enjoy that drink.