[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Remind me of the Russia Finland bit? the first war between them ended in 1809 and the winter war of 39 started after WW2 had started didn't it?...I admit I'm not a massive history buff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

You are correct, it started two months after the start of hostilities in Europe.
Nevertheless The Uk did not do anything about it, despite Finland being a democracy, while Poland was an authocratic and rather agressive regime (the Germany/Poland hatrad did not develop out of thin air, either, btw. There is some history to it extending to after the end of WWI and has a lot to do with polish attitudes in the interwar years while Germany was a democracy.)

What I am aiming at is the the UK did not declare their wars out of humanitarian reasons, the way it is always displayed, but pure power politics following century old traditions.

So Japan was at war with China.......not sure it was particularily relevant or any threat to europe at the time, but Germany invading poland was, not only that it was a contravention of the treaty of Marseilles, come on admit it, russia and japan's conflicts at that time are irrelevant to what started in Europe.

Actually, I agree. But the british always complain about Germany starting it all, while technically, they declared war on Germany, not vice versa. Imagine Germany declaring war on the UK for invading the Falklands and then blaming you guys for starting it all.

Yeah so imagine how frustrating it is when people who are effectively the same as you keep pointing fingers and saying 'Anglo Saxon mentality'

Imagine 60 years, and pretty much all my life, finger pointing and blames from other nationalities simply for my own nationality, despite never having done anything that would justify such blames. Eventually you adapt. You have to look not further then current news all over Europe to know what I mean.

So what you are really saying is that Britain should have stayed out of the war because of it's past? and because we had an Empire we should have let little Adolf have a slice of his pie too?

No, that is not what I am saying. I actually like the UK. I am actually glad they declared war. I am not even angry over the bombing campaigns at all. That is something Germany brought onto itself for following that gangster.
But I am highly annoyed at the hypocrisy displayed and the way a lot of british try to use those crimes as a knock out argument in any debate over that time.

What I am saying is that Britian should display a bit more modesty when it comes to finger pointing due to their own history, especially at current generation Germans. And also give credit where credit is due at times.

Prost!

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Make mine a double!

Now we are talking!