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Originally Posted by MD_Titus
preeeeetty much
like i say, makes us feel better to do something. like the band playing on sort of thing.
i made no such comment about "false promises". tithes taken by the church go to good causes, if for nothing else than to maintain the fabric of often ancient buildings and often for charitable activities. the promise of something is implicit and goes back to the time of selling graces, but i make no assertion that is a false promise. i may not believe in it, but that makes it no less real to some people.
to say that atheists have "closed their minds to order and opened them to chaos and destruction" is kind of wonderful. do you believe in other gods, or just yours?
what
so the guy who commits evil can declare himself to be right.... and he is? what?
the non-physical realm has nothing to do with human consciousness, mainly because *ta-da* human consciousness is a function of the physical brain. learn to neurobiology. next you'll be trotting out descartes and his attempts to prove the existence of god. as to judgement, it's one of those innate qualities that makes us human, that we develop through experience and what we learn of the world and it's inhabitants. of course it changes over a life cycle. if nothing was learned then we'd still be whacking the crap out of each other with the jaws of sheep.
oh and they aren't cliches, but strength can either be physical or mental. we prevailed over the neanderthal, according to theory, because we were smarter not bigger.
no, not necessary at all. i set fire to your house. you don't like it. would i like it if it's done to me? no, then it's bad. if this same process applies or can be said to apply to each reasonable person (ie not sadists, masochists, the unhinged) then it applies as either good or bad. i'm putting this in very simplified terms because... well frankly there's a 5,000 word essay on this, easy.
well it was a definition pitched at a certain level, and intended as a mini-definition to save time, typing and refinement. it's no sales pitch though, it's not selling anything.
if you consider wealth redistribution and societal equality to be "steal everything" then you massively misunderstand the ideals of marxism, to such an extent that you should either read up on it or cease commenting on it. you simply cannot steal what you own part of. that communism failed in all it's incarnations is mostly due to human nature, apparently we can't really act in a truly altruistic way for ever, require carrots to put in the best effort with our talents and generally foul things up through greed and avarice. but then that apparently applies in all political systems.
i would suggest that your invitation to atheists to kill themselves actually constitutes a hate crime though. if i told all christians/muslims/jews/hindus/worshippers of his noodly-appendagedness to kill themselves i would expect criminal sanctions to follow shortly after.
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“i made no such comment about "false promises". tithes taken by the church go to good causes, if for nothing else than to maintain the fabric of often ancient buildings and often for charitable activities. the promise of something is implicit and goes back to the time of selling graces, but i make no assertion that is a false promise. i may not believe in it, but that makes it no less real to some people.”
Your exact words “in return for a promise of...well, anything?” You seem confused by your own words. If a promise is broken, if it doesn’t materialize, if it doesn’t stay true to form, if it promises nothing, I think it fair to characterize it to be “false”. Get it? Then you say exactly this, “i may not believe in it, but that makes it no less real to some people.” I will parse this. “I may not believe in it” suggests to me you believe the promise to be “false” because if you believed in it, it would be “true” and you would believe in it instead of qualify it as “may not”. Then you say “some people”. Now maybe you should go look at your “good guy” self in the mirror and ask, “did I just pass judgement?” I would say you did. It’s okay. I do it all the time.
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“to say that atheists have "closed their minds to order and opened them to chaos and destruction" is kind of wonderful. do you believe in other gods, or just yours?”
I’m comfortable in my skin. What else is there to say? If you think chaos and destruction is “kind of wonderful”? Whatever. It’s your skin. We now know where you stand.
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“the non-physical realm has nothing to do with human consciousness, mainly because *ta-da* human consciousness is a function of the physical brain. learn to neurobiology. next you'll be trotting out descartes and his attempts to prove the existence of god. as to judgement, it's one of those innate qualities that makes us human, that we develop through experience and what we learn of the world and it's inhabitants. of course it changes over a life cycle. if nothing was learned then we'd still be whacking the crap out of each other with the jaws of sheep.”
Diving through the insults, a “function”. Okay, the neuro process the brain goes through to form a non-physical/intangible called an “idea”. Nothing physically relevant about that unless it materializes into something that can be perceived through our senses. I just had another idea, but I won’t mention it here. So it won’t materialize as insult. For you to guess or to remain irrelevant. It’s also wonderful how you equate human consciousness to neurobiology. I think those phds are still working on it. No brain transplants yet. But keep sending them your monies or try to steal ours because they are the smart guys with all the answers about how your brain works. In the meantime, you’ll have to stick with the indoctrintation techniques you were taught.
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“oh and they aren't cliches”
as in the phrase is common and subject to overuse in the vernacular to lose meaning, imo.
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“no, not necessary at all. i set fire to your house. you don't like it. would i like it if it's done to me? no, then it's bad. if this same process applies or can be said to apply to each reasonable person (ie not sadists, masochists, the unhinged) then it applies as either good or bad. i'm putting this in very simplified terms because... well frankly there's a 5,000 word essay on this, easy.”
Again, you make the circular argument. A common theme. What is “reasonable”. What is the context for “reasonable”. Imo, “good” and “bad” are the building blocks to “reasonable” and “ethical”. No 5000 word essay necessary. Keep using your neurobiology to figure your way out of the circle. How about, “think outside the box”. Get it? Does that qualify as a cliche in your opinion?
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if you consider wealth redistribution and societal equality to be "steal everything" then you massively misunderstand the ideals of marxism, to such an extent that you should either read up on it or cease commenting on it. you simply cannot steal what you own part of. that communism failed in all it's incarnations is mostly due to human nature, apparently we can't really act in a truly altruistic way for ever, require carrots to put in the best effort with our talents and generally foul things up through greed and avarice. but then that apparently applies in all political systems.
I guess your not a farmer. The war for communism hasn’t ended. It has taken the guise of man-made global warming. “Atheism” is recruiting tool, a sales pitch. The ordinary man is aware. Your attempts to wrap it up in higher purpose sugar, epic fail.
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i would suggest that your invitation to atheists to kill themselves actually constitutes a hate crime though. if i told all christians/muslims/jews/hindus/worshippers of his noodly-appendagedness to kill themselves i would expect criminal sanctions to follow shortly after.
If I don’t believe they exist, then how can I believe they can kill themselves? Are you suggesting thought crime? Should my neurobiology be arrested? How do you do that? Do you want to murder me? At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least! You really underestimate yourself if you believe in a so called atheism. Anyway, my last words. It was fun. I’m out.
