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Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper
@Manu: Any time I've gone head-to-head with a 109 it's been accidental -- usually not paying attention -- and I've always lost! LOL
The 12 lbs boost/100 octane historically was for emergency use only. If a Spitfire pilot uses it for a prolonged chase over the Channel he's asking for oil on his canopy and the 109 to circle back and demolish his badly-shaking aircraft. It DOES make the Spitfire extremely dangerous to the 109 pilot who gets careless in a boom & zoom attack, but the Spit will be far from invincible. It WILL discourage 109 pilots from loitering over RAF airfields as they will no longer enjoy total impunity from Spits clawing their way upwards to meet their airfield suppression attacks.
Spitfires are SUPPOSED to be frightening to its opponents, just as the 109's are frightening to the Spitfire pilots.
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And I can't wait for a so well modelled Spitfire.
I'm only stating that it's not really a priority in the sim IMO.. of course it HAS to be modelled for historical accuracy, but if the number of downed Spits is always upper than the number of lost 109s it's not because RAF misses the 12lbs boost... it's because the wrong tactics.
Don't get me wrong, Spitfires ARE FRIGHTENING (seriously, since my first objective is to avoid my own KIA/MIA) but only IF they are in the correct position and flown by an expert guy.
If I scroll the ingame score table and I read that a pair of the DangerDogz veterans are currently flying on a Spit you can bet I'm really worried about this.
But if I find a lonely spit 2km under my position why should I be worried? Probably only if it was a Oleg's Spit25lbs...
About headons, my squad severely prohibits them... there is actually one pilot who keeps doing them but it's the black sheep of the squad (and it's funny since he's our only real military pilot
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Anyway inside the message board of 12oclockhigh.net a guy posted this (confirmation needed):
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This report is in "The Captive Luftwaffe" by Kenneth S. West, pp127-135:
"Mock dog-fights were staged between the Bf 109 and a Spitfire, both flown by pilots of the RAE. In addition, a number of fighter pilots, all of whom had recent operational flying experience, visited the RAE with their Spitfires and Hurricanes in order to obtain further combat practice. During these flights AE479 (W.Nr. 1304) was flown by RAE pilot, Flying Officer J.E. Pebody, who had completed the handling tests and was thoroughly familiar with it, and could thus be expected to get the best out of it. ...
"When the Bf 109 was following the Hurricane or Spitfire, it was found that the British aircraft turned inside the German machine without difficulty when flown by determined pilots who were not afraid to pull their aircraft round hard in a tight turn. In a surprisingly large number of cases, however, the Bf 109 succeeded in keeping on the tail of the Spitfire or Hurricane during these turning tests, merely because their pilots would not tighten up the turns sufficiently from fear of stalling and spinning. ...
"During the dog-fights against the Hurricane and Spitfire it became apparent that these fighters could out-turn the Bf 109 with ease when flown by determined pilots. Since the minimum radius of turn without height loss depends largely on stalling speed, and hence on wing loading, the poor turning performance of the Bf 109 may be ascribed to its high wing loading, 32.2 lb/sq ft compared with 24.8 lb/sq ft on the Spitfire. The minimum radius of turn without height loss was obtained by flying as near to the stall as possible at comparatively little g; this radius was about 696 ft on the Spitfire as against 885 ft on the Bf 109."
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As I said many times.. flying was a matter of bravery... it was a dangerous thing and actually some "pilots" were braver than other "pilots"...
It happens in IL2, ROF or DCS too... I'm afraid of the stall/spin and my squadmate, flying the same plane with the same loadout, can out-turn me.