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Old 04-20-2012, 03:09 AM
irR4tiOn4L irR4tiOn4L is offline
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Wolf Rider, for someone who has consistently failed to understand another's points you are being awfully cocky and very rude.

You also make broad based assertions such as "60 fov is correct" (and pray tell, how do you know this?) "you are whining, the dots are not too hard to spot compared to real life" (again, how the hell can you say that? Ever flown an aircraft?) and "the LODs do not change at all between FOVs" (did you program the engine?).

I am getting quite sick of debating this nonsense with you considering I have to spell everything out and then still have you come back a jerk. Can you tell me what all that "do you know 70mm is narrower than 50mm" nonsense was about? Don't want to because it would make it obvious that your comprehension skills were severely lacking? Then don't come back saying I am "finally getting it".

Show some respect and make your point, then shut it. If that point is that we SHOULDNT be switching from 70 fov to 30 fov because 60 fov is realistic, then PROVE IT or accept that I will REJECT IT.



Oh and finally, here's a pop quiz - my monitor is some 20 inches across approximately 1 metre from my face. Using your analogy of a window, what is the approximate angle of vision, or "field of view", that such a surface occupies in my field of vision?

What should I set my monitor's FOV to in order to approximate 1:1 representation with my real vision? Does this change if I physically move closer to the monitor?

Here's a hint; it isn't exactly 60 degrees, and in this case its likely to be a LOT less (I estimate about 23.5 degrees of my field of vision is covered by my monitor, meaning that I would need to set my FOV to 23.5 to see 1:1 as I would in a real aircraft - compare this to our almost 180 degree forward facing field of vision and you can see why, as gamers, we have to alternate between a wider fov for situational awareness and a narrower one for 1:1 aircraft spotting).

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider View Post
No, not sooner but because of the distortion associated with switching to the larger FoV when switching up from what has been defined as the normal FoV, smaller.
(putting a larger image onto the same size projection surface, that being the screen... so obviously switching to a larger FoV, from normal FoV, does not help with scanning for targets)
So what you are saying is that even though the airplane appears smaller at higher FOVs, and thus smaller for any given distance, it will still switch to being a 'dot' at the same distance and will thus not appear as a dot sooner?

So if I have a plane that is 2 pixels across and 4km distant at 39 fov, tell me - how will it look at 4km distance but 70 fov? It will be a dot, wont it! And if its a dot at 70 fov but not at 39 fov, then what I said was exactly right - the dot appeared SOONER, or rather, at less distance from the ingame camera. And thats really what we are talking about. Remember that I regarded this as part of the LODs, because dots are NOT just ordinary rendering - ordinary rendering engines would soon stop drawing even the dot. The game is likely forcing the engine to keep drawing a dot and when that dot appears and dissapears may or may NOT be tied to distance, pixel size or some other criteria like resolution or fov.

To see what I mean, ask yourself these questions;
Do the dots appear and dissapear at the same distance on 1024x768 and 3900x1500 (example) resolutions? (for that matter, are they even the same size or smaller at high resolutions?)
Do the dots appear and dissapear at the same distance at 30 fov and 90 fov?
Do the dots appear and dissapear at the same distance when graphic options are set to high or low?

Etc.

Last edited by irR4tiOn4L; 04-20-2012 at 03:45 AM.
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