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Originally Posted by Baco
Regarding what the Ilanders want. The British did not stop one secod to ponder on what the people allready living there wnated whnen they kicked them out...
The principle of self determination is exclusive for indigenous population, NOT, tranplanted colonial population. No Islander grategrandfather was born on the islands, period. Every one of them comes from a british subjec familly. So the principle of self determination of the people does not aplly to them. It was Argentinian territory with a flag and a governor.. we do not claim to inherit it from spain, we claim it was populated and ruled by Argentina when the british took it by force. Putting it plainlly: If I steal yopur car, does it make it mine if my kid rides on it for long enough time? Or is it still your car?
Same thing here. The onlly reason the islands still are a British ocupied territory is illigal use of force. The whole world sees that, hell even the US abstained, instead of voting aggainst the UN resolutions..... Even the british people say it (acording to the latest polls)....
The war was a desperate atempt used by a drunk to remian in power... and gave the perfect opportunituy to a power drunk lady to stay in power, and oh yes the good ole British Navy a chance to get a little more budget... Still it was our right to claim what is rightfully ours. This is the same case of the owner of a house being sued by the burgler for getting hit in the head with a bat, INISDE the house, of course and with the families DVD in his hands.......
Regarding the combatants, Well both sides displayed honnor and courage and served their countries like true heroes... allways the military pays for the incompetence of their governments... Both sides fighting for what they belive in. My respect for them. British and Argentinians.
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Whoa, I normally try to stay neutral on all posts, but I seriously have no idea where to start in picking your post to pieces...and thankfully for most/all post readers I have no idea how to multi quote.
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So I'll do it manually
[Irrelevance on] In my second post I mentioned my respect for the Argentinians, and also love the county having been there more than once (twice
), and looking forward to going back there again. Food, landscape and people are amazing! And yes, I am British, United Kingdom'ish, English. So praying the politicians will deal with this in an appropriate, cost efficient and peaceful manner...like they're bl00dy paid to do by all of us tax paying servants of both nations! [Irrelevance off]
- "Brits didn't ponder the people before the invasion"...
from what I understand the Brits considered it British territory...hmmmm, any self respecting country would fight for territory it considered it's own, which is why the Argentinians 'invaded' in the first place. So the Argentinians are right to occupy with force and the British we 'illegal'.
- "No Islander grategrandfather was born on the islands, period"...
apart from an increase in your country's carbon footprint just typing and posting that ridiculous sentence...what was the point..."my great grandfather was there first", "No! mine was there first". The islanders, hailing from British territories, amongst many many others, also had great grandfathers and family there. Who cares?
- "Even the british people say it (acording to the latest polls)"...
sources please...maybe more recent conflicts have resulted in similar polls...in 1982, the entire country was behind the exploratory British force...illegal invasion...please, the Argentinians weren't exactly friendly with the locals, taking away basic human rights...Obviously the rest of the world was behind Argentina weren't they...all Argentina's neighbors really did a good job standing up for them and offering help...(throw away comment I know...obviously not many nations weren't behind the Brits on this one either).
- "The war was a desperate atempt used by a drunk to remian in power"...obviously you're referring to Admiral Jorge Anaya...and not Thatcher, and I give you credit for that one.
The man needed a diversion and took dramatic and desperate measures and cost his country almost 1000 young lives for nothing. Thatcher on the other hand was a strong female lead of the time (being politically unbiased here - I'm not a Conservative), on a global scale with more important politics to deal with during the 1980's than Argentina's first female premier now. Thatcher was 30 years ago and was dealing with the brink of global nuclear war and being leading a country that could be the staging grounds for world war 3 between the US and the USSR...somewhat more important than the irrelevant argument over oil and a few extra votes on today's political stage.
- "Regarding the combatants, Well both sides displayed honnor and courage and served their countries like true heroes"...we agree on something.
The Argentinian forces consisted of elite forces and marines as did ours. British forces forces considered them worthy in battle...and vice versa.
I don't like reading about the politics/background, I enjoy reading the stories of individuals from both sides, from the British trooper holding a dodgy SLR to the Argentinian Mirage pilot dropping dodgy bombs. I'm sure the veterans of that conflict would rather the stories were remembered rather than forum members have a fight about politics from the 80's...none of us were there or fighting on those rocks, and should respect those that took part, and more the point, stick to the original posters update
