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Originally Posted by Rjel

As Chivas said, if they had told people the game wasn't working at release (some might say broken), would people have purchased it?

Well one mans broken is another mans working

The word broken is very subjective and debatable

On one end of the scale some would define broken as the game does not even run/start
On the other end of the scale some would define broken as the color of the dash board is 'not correct'

So with that in mind, can you name one, or more, things that you consider to be broken?

Just so we know where you fall on that scale

Because I personally don't see anything I would call broken that would be consider a reason to not release the game.. Even in it's initial version release it was very playable.. As LoBiSoMeM, Fliegenpilz, Momod, Snapper, and nearmiss stated in their reply post yours.

As noted the term 'broken' means different things to different people, and as I suspected in my previous post, no one will be able to point to a 'real thing' that is missing from the game that was listed on the box. Thus 1C is NOT guilty of deceptive business practices' IMHO.

Because god knows if they were, one of these but hurt smacktards would have already started a class action suit against 1C/ubi listing said item. The fact that there is no such thing only proves what I already stated, buggie software does not equate to false advertisement.

Originally Posted by Rjel

Instead it seems that misinformation was put out that the game was running on a less than top of the line computer just before CoD's initial release to generate sales I would assume.

Another 'non real thing' example

For those whos game does run fine they do not belive misinformation was put out
For those whos game does not run fine they belive misinformation was put out

But neither can point to something that says it is guaranteed to run fine on 'their' PC

What with all the verity in PCs these days only a unrealistic person would expect game software to run perfect on all PCs upon it initial release. Thus once again 1C is NOT guilty of deceptive business practices' IMHO.

Originally Posted by Rjel

There was genuine excitement about that on the UBI forum only to be ruined by less than glowing user reports.

Which is true of most if not all new games

People tend to get a little excited.. and even hyper excited to the point that no release will meet their expectations! You know these types of people, they are the ones that expect a 'beta' patch to be perfect and free of bugs. The types that live and operate in a very unrealistic view of the world and therefore will never be satisfied.

Originally Posted by Rjel

I find that deceptive.

Well that is your opinion

But know that you have pointed to no 'real thing' IMHO, just subjective and debatable things. Case in point, look at all the people who posted after your last post that consider the game to be very playable as is. Granted there are some people is this world that will be happy staring at the blue screen of death, but I don't think any of those people that posted after you did those extreme types. They find a lot of value in the game as is. So knowing that some people are happy with it and some people are unhappy with it tells you that this is not deception on 1Cs part.. More different expectations on the users part! Read as different opinions on what the definition of broken/deceptive means, not some conspiracy by 1C.

Originally Posted by Rjel

I said nothing about false advertising. I understand what buggy is. I understand all features previously mentioned over CoDs development lifetime might not make the initial release.

That is good to hear!

Originally Posted by Rjel

What I don't understand is claiming boldly that a product works acceptably well when clearly it didn't.

That is easy to understand onces you stop and consider the verity in PC

Originally Posted by Rjel

That is deception, if not an outright lie.

Disagree 100%

Originally Posted by Rjel

More than that it was and is disappointing considering the relationship we previously had with the Il2 team.

That cuts both ways!

1C could say the same about the user.. What with 1C's history of support and providing free upgrades I think 1C must be kind of surprise at the response it is getting from 'some' of these sold called users they thought they had a relationship with.