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Old 09-30-2011, 02:28 AM
Madfish Madfish is offline
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Enough talk of bans.

If you cannot understand this, then I have nothing else for you.
Understand what? The guy makes claims but he isn't without failure. He's very eloquent and known for exactly that but posting this video certainly doesn't solve the issues.

He only talks about risk and reward, "that the things people always want to ban are the things that they themselves never use or do" although many are plane fans and visiting such races and exhibitions. He also compares casulties in New York to Reno - as if everyone in New York was only there for fun and walks off after a day or two. Further he carefully avoids to mention the killing of native indians but of course bashes other countries instead - way too go - but way too naive.
Also he claims the big 3 things, that kill the most people, needed to be banned are: disease, socialism and then war. I do not need to explain just HOW wrong he is. Do I?

The thing is he makes an emotional argument but he's wrong as well. If you'd actually read my posts and maybe interact with the moderate people you'd see this but instead you have your own little war with the extremes and always make sure to pour oil into the fire.


Freedom was nice for the first US Americans that experienced it, I agree. But was it nice for the REAL americans? The indians? Was it nice for the slaves? Total freedom is something we can't yet have. Too many people are way too extreme - in fact probably all humans are.

But there is something this guy forgets: We are humans and have the ability to use our brains. Does freedom mean we should totally forget the origin of flight? The history of engineering? Why not make airplanes as unsafe as possible because obviously it's wrong to expect that safety standards get raised continuously just because they could be and the people know that planes can crash.

That's rubbish!

It doesn't matter how free anyone is or if they are aware of risks. It is the duty of EVERY engineer out there to make that exact same choice of risk and reward. Not just once in his lifetime but continuously! That means that safety standards always improve and have to improve to ensure we do not die from desease like in the medieval age or die from a car crash at 40mph.

Now, this guy you posted is probably from the US. Obviously there is media pressure and everything but not here where I'm from. The way I see it, and I said so many times, is that there is an obvious flaw in the machine and the mechanics of how Reno works.
They need to adress this - not because accidents can happen but because they WILL happen and it is thus imperative to assume that accidents will happen and try finding solutions to avoid them or reduce their impact! Literally impact in this case...

Why do you think cruise ships have lifeboats on board etc.? They rarely ever have an accident but in case they do passengers NEED them. Why do cars have safety frames, airbags, intelligent brake systems and seatbelts? Because everyone should die in a crash at 40mph like this guy suggests?

So again: why are you trying so hard finding excuses for why people had to die instead of objectively trying to evaluate possible improvements to security? I think there are many steps Reno could take to at least make the races a little safer:

First they should consider if this plane is safe or has a design flaw (like many planes in history) that renders it unusable for the unlimited class. Eventually this flaw could also be fixed though.
But there is more (again, since I posted this twice already I think):
- autopilot in case of pilot failure (blacked out pilots would be history)
- autopilot in case of race track violations
- better course layouts that avoid potential plane / spectator colisions if possible
- better telemetry
- better preparedness of emergency groundcrews and nearby hospitals
- new emergency technology


Last but not least I will show you a perfect example of engineering and not just stuffing pure horse power into a 60year old weapons platform tuned for racing.

(Video courtesy: Claudio Tavella)
A pilot, who survived after his plane's wings came off, says he'll continue flying. Spectators at an air show in Argentina saw a small plane crash into the ground during a manoeuver. The pilot was strapped into his seat when he pulled his parachute, and the plane was lowered to the ground leaving him with little more than a burnt foot.

I'm NOT for banning but I am simply amazed by the number of people that seriously do not even consider engineering at all. Yes, a few ten thousand years ago humans were nothing but apes - but today we can learn from mistakes! Something that Reno seems to be imune to. I wonder if such people are really the kind you want to protect and not suggest to them that they need to get their stuff fixed ASAP.

Last edited by Madfish; 09-30-2011 at 02:30 AM.
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