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Old 01-03-2008, 03:18 AM
Billfish Billfish is offline
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Originally Posted by Sunchaser View Post
DejaVu, Billfish......Do you actually think he, or Oleg or anyone on this planet actually checks damage parameters for individual serial numbers of a plane type when making weapons?

Are you suggesting that whoever does weapons lethality should model it for each individual aircraft?

Let's see, about 300,000 planes were made by all parties in WWII, do you want a seperate damage model done for each?
Glad you said that, as yes, Maddox games most certainly did....Was it in their initial research? Most likely yet to the naturally limited degree of a single person or group. What they did do however was very willingly take subsequent data collected by numerous community members and apply it.

The proof? Numerous changes to numerous weapons when they were supplied with REAL DATA not just "a cuz I thinks it is not right". I can also tell you for a fact that changes were also made to FM's, DM's, Weapons, Ammunition, Armor and so on three simple examples being the "loss" of Ki-61 rudder trim, the activation of Ki-61-I-Hei fire extinguishers, and the addition of self sealing armor proofing to the Ki-61 fuel tanks though the difference between models and their level of protection applied by 1c I cannot say deffinatively........All of those changes inspired from my research......You also must realize (as I'm quite sure you do), that once production numbers based upon s/n that applies to change points and models is supplied, a decision must be made.

That decision requiring to take into consideration the percentage of aircraft having each change, how prevalent was it in combat, is it better to show the difference between models or have them so similar there is no reason to have another and so on.....As an example the Ki-61 has 3 models in the sim....The differences though minor to extreme have nothing to do with what you see.....Yet they did affect the planes performance which we do notice, weight being a good example of that.

Was every change made? Nope, in fact quite a few were not. Yet they were not due to the degree of work it would entail to apply them........Now, that's 3 aircraft in the sim, those changes made while all the others had folks hammering on 1c about their own faves.

I can also tell you for a FACT that a Breda SAFAT round has no where near the power or effectiveness of a Browning .50 Cal., it doesn't even stand up to a Ho-103 of the Japanese, accuracy also very well documented YET....It's basically "just a cuz".

He also subsequently to my question answers only...."But results are interesting and showing great differences between the differents DM...... Some japanes planes are highly (too ?) flammable..... but depending.... ki 61 resist much better than zero (normal), but, generally, german planes resist generally much more..... it is not allways so easy to shoot down a FW...... perhaps marketting reasons ? don't know at all. SO, i like to see sometimes FW burning (rarelly, but happen), or 109 just have little smoke, slow rolling and... falling to ground instead explode or show great pyrotechnics effects"......

Yet that gives absolutly no reason why he feels that........As to the Ki-61 however, I can tell you precisely.

...and that's the point, changes are being made as to "feel & want"....and though Josse is making them to what he "believes" they should be by feel, he is also "showing" people how to make what they "want".....and many "want" something much more then what was actual.....Like swapping out rounds in a belt.

So let me ask this then....Of the 3 rounds offered in the Browning .50, which does the most damage in the sim and was that what all planes used?

Now remember, only those who use this mod online have that adjustment.....Think that's right?....
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