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Originally Posted by speculum jockey
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. . . . . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......
AHAHAAAAAHHhhhahahahahahahaaaaaa. . . .
Yah Right! You'll be buying it day one! If you are serious about not buying it then there is no reason for you to keep posting on these forums. . . Right?
Don't be silly, you're not fooling anyone.
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I think he's serious. I didn't buy RoF for similar reasons. He bought RoF and stopped flying it after a few months. It's his choice and it's not funny, if he's had problems with steam in the past i can perfectly understand his decision. I'm just willing to jump in blind and get CoD because it has an offline mode, but i'm not too happy about the lack of choice in the whole thing.
Finally, people who base their purchase on certain features do in fact leave the game's forums after a while, they just hope that they might get some encouraging information to reevaluate their decision if they first state their reasons for not buying.
To be honest, this is the worst side effect of dividing the community over such issues: losing well known members of the community that had a useful and long term impact over the years and i'm not talking about ElAurens specifically. Old timers are usually strong willed and hard to argue with, but this community wouldn't be half of what it is today without the people who obsessed for years over aircraft performance charts to correct flaws in the game or creating skins and campaigns for the rest of us to enjoy.
Sure, we need new blood but if we lose the core simmers and gain FPS players, who's going to "train" these new guys and ease them into embracing the added difficulty and complexity of it all? It won't be much of a sim community if 95% percent of people fly at 30% difficulty in servers with no historical context and in such a case, it won't even be their fault...it's just that there might not be enough of the old guard around to draw them into the deeper aspects of the hobby. Something like this would definitely ensure the survival of the software companies that make our sims, but at the same time it would transform the community into a sim-light variety.
I've advocated relaxed difficulty settings in the past as a means to get more people interested in flight sims and Steam is obviously also a step in that direction (possibly and hopefully a succesful one), trying to gain exposure to a wider demographic. There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is potentially chasing away some among the veteran members who held the flight sim banner during the previous years through sheer lack of options.
Something similar happened with RoF, only at a much higher intensity and with a far greater rift within the community, and it totally deprived it of its chance to shine: almost 2 years on since its release, there's more people flying IL2 online on any given day than RoF.
I'd really hate to see the launch of CoD facing similar difficulties, reduced market appeal and the subsequent lack of revenue that delays further development. It's not a for/against argument about Steam, i'm neither a customer nor a shareholder of theirs so i don't really care. It's about providing choices that satisfy the biggest amount of potential customers so that they can become actual customers while at the same time maintaining the scope and purpose of what the software and fan community tries to convey, instead of diluting it into something it's not. For this to happen, we need the new blood just as much as the old timers who'll teach them the ropes.
And since i'm getting gloomy here, let's look at the optimist note in all of it
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Originally Posted by Biggs
im very certain that if you want to play the singleplayer campaign of CoD im pretty sure you wont have to be logged onto steam...
Steam is just there for MP purposes... and for installation verification...
bottom line steam is just a software program that (can if you wish to) store your games in a library. and allow you to download tons of games directly to your HD.
its incredibly harmless...
you guys will buy the game an enjoy it when u realize how simple and non-invasive it all is going to be...
im glad they are getting steam involved... it will be much more organized and reliable instead of the ubi server crap. Plus its a great platform to show the game off to a much larger group of customers... and that will help Maddox Games in revenue.
and after all, dont we as a community want to have the fan-base grow... not be this cult-hit-of-a-flight sim?
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i sincerely hope it will be just like this. I just don't like last minute surprises, especially if there's no user selectable option provided in the matter.