The reason you believe "our" points aren't holding any water is because:
1. You refuse to even look at them objectively.
2. You ignore points to which you have no counter arguement.
3. You can't answer simple questions when asked directly.
4. You fail to understand the points some people are making eg. the joystick analogy.
5. You state your opinion as fact and when someone disagrees, you then:
6. You deflect by telling people to read through the thread because their point has already been addressed (when it hasn't).
7. You construct posts which look like they are replies but actually aren't eg. by saying things like "see point 1" when point 1 doesn't even address the issue.
8. When someone tells you you're not addressing the point you say stuff like "what has that got to do with the thread?" trying to make it look like they are somehow attacking you.
9. You repeat the same arguments again and again because you believe your opinion is fact.
10. You also accuse people of personal attacks against you and then go on to call others fasists.
It's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone like that.
Now, you'll probably read this post and see it as some kind of attack against you but it really isn't, this is merely what I have witnessed from reading through these threads - when I said ealier "you clearly can't be reasoned with" I meant just that, you have a clear bias on this subject and no amount of reasonable discussion will change that so there really is no point continuing in this debate. At this point noone is going to change the others 'side' so why go on any further?
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