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Why not the Mediterranean Theater next?

All the talk on the forums seems to focus on the Battle of Moscow as the first sequel to COD. Some of this is apparently based upon some hint by Oleg, and/or a poster at an SOW:BOB demo-show(?).

In a recent thread, a discussion began about which aircraft would be needed for such a Battle of Moscow flightsim sequel. Answer:many Russian aircraft would need to be developed/added to the COD baseline, along with additional Luftwaffe aircraft types and models not used in BofB/COD. After all, the invasion of Russia did not begin until June 1941, almost a year after the Battle of Britain began. Also, the new Maps required would have to be failry extensive. It seems that a considerable amount of programming and design, etc, would be required for a Battle of Moscow sequel.

I've long been curious as to why the Mediterranean Theater of Operations (MTO) would not be the next planned theater for a COD sequel. The role of the Italian Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain was merely a curiosity, insignificant. So, why would so much programming effort in COD development have been diverted to such a relatively obscure matter. To me, it only makes sense if it were planned by 1C to use those RA aircraft in a Mediterranean scenario/sequel, released relatively quickly after SOW:BoB/COD release.

Battle of the Mediterranean, 1940-1941

Italians aerial assault on Malta beginning June 1940: COD has RAF Gladiators and Hurricanes, and most of the significant Italian RA aircraft. One would just need maps, which would seem to be much less complex maps than the UK/France maps of COD. COD would need to add SM-79.

Italians in North Africa attack British forces in Egypt in Sep 1940. Again, COD has all of the necessary RAF and most of the necessary RA aircraft.

Italians invade Greece in October 1940. Ditto above.

Germans invade Yugoslavia and Greece in April 1941. COD has 90% of the necessary Luftwaffe aircraft and all the RAF aircraft.

Germans attack Crete and British Naval task forces in Mediterranean. COD Luftwaffe has almost all necessary aircraft. COD would have to add British Carrier(s) and carrier-based aircraft.

Rommel battles British in North Africa from Spring 1941. Would only need COD to add P40B/C for RAF, SAAF of Desert Air Force

It would seem that with a relatively small effort/cost, IL-2: MTO could be released very soon after all the major problems with COD are worked out and patched.

imho

Unless I am mistaken, Oleg himself stated that hey will be revealing the third title in line before the second - i.e. The Battle of Moscow.

Apart from the IL2 screen shot (presumably and early variant) that has been shown to us by luthier, we know nothing about the sequel yet.

Why it isn't Mediterranean Theater - is beyond me and the majority here that have wanted this series to go next.

Still, I look forward to any sequel - as long as BoB is made operational first. :)

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Originally Posted by T}{OR (Post 283701)

I look forward to any sequel - as long as BoB is made operational first. :)

I could not agree more

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Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider (Post 283692)

All the talk on the forums seems to focus on the Battle of Moscow as the first sequel to COD. Some of this is apparently based upon some hint by Oleg, and/or a poster at an SOW:BOB demo-show(?).

In a recent thread, a discussion began about which aircraft would be needed for such a Battle of Moscow flightsim sequel. Answer:many Russian aircraft would need to be developed/added to the COD baseline, along with additional Luftwaffe aircraft types and models not used in BofB/COD. After all, the invasion of Russia did not begin until June 1941, almost a year after the Battle of Britain began. Also, the new Maps required would have to be failry extensive. It seems that a considerable amount of programming and design, etc, would be required for a Battle of Moscow sequel.

I've long been curious as to why the Mediterranean Theater of Operations (MTO) would not be the next planned theater for a COD sequel. The role of the Italian Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain was merely a curiosity, insignificant. So, why would so munch programming effort in COD development have been diverted to such a relatively obscure matter. To me, it only makes sense if it were planned by 1C to use those RA aircraft in a Mediterranean scenario/sequel, released relatively quickly after SOW:BoB/COD release.

Battle of the Mediterranean, 1940-1941

Italians aerial assault on Malta beginning June 1940: COD has RAF Gladiators and Hurricanes, and most of the significant Italian RA aircraft. One would just need maps, which would seem to be much less complex maps than the UK/France maps of COD. COD would need to add SM-79.

Italians in North Africa attack British forces in Egypt in Sep 1940. Again, COD has all of the necessary RAF and most of the necessary RA aircraft.

Italians invade Greece in October 1940. Ditto above.

Germans invade Yugoslavia and Greece in April 1941. COD has 90% of the necessary Luftwaffe aircraft and all the RAF aircraft.

Germans attack Crete and British Naval task forces in Mediterranean. COD Luftwaffe has almost all necessary aircraft. COD would have to add British Carrier(s) and carrier-based aircraft.

Rommel battles British in North Africa from Spring 1941. Would only need COD to add P40B/C for RAF, SAAF of Desert Air Force

It would seem that with a relatively small effort/cost, IL-2: MTO could be released very soon after all the major problems with COD are worked out and patched.

imho

Enjoying the E3 but just give me a "190" soon

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Originally Posted by JG27_brook (Post 283714)

Enjoying the E3 but just give me a "190" soon

They really need a flight instructor in this game cause I ALWAYS break my E3 :D

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Originally Posted by Skiiwa (Post 283716)

They really need a flight instructor in this game cause I ALWAYS break my E3 :D

flew E3 on easy settings for a day, noted all the PP settings etc then you will pick up PP for the E3 and it becomes a joy to fly on manual

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Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider (Post 283692)

All the talk on the forums seems to focus on the Battle of Moscow as the first sequel to COD. Some of this is apparently based upon some hint by Oleg, and/or a poster at an SOW:BOB demo-show(?).

In a recent thread, a discussion began about which aircraft would be needed for such a Battle of Moscow flightsim sequel. Answer:many Russian aircraft would need to be developed/added to the COD baseline, along with additional Luftwaffe aircraft types and models not used in BofB/COD. After all, the invasion of Russia did not begin until June 1941, almost a year after the Battle of Britain began. Also, the new Maps required would have to be failry extensive. It seems that a considerable amount of programming and design, etc, would be required for a Battle of Moscow sequel.

I've long been curious as to why the Mediterranean Theater of Operations (MTO) would not be the next planned theater for a COD sequel. The role of the Italian Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain was merely a curiosity, insignificant. So, why would so munch programming effort in COD development have been diverted to such a relatively obscure matter. To me, it only makes sense if it were planned by 1C to use those RA aircraft in a Mediterranean scenario/sequel, released relatively quickly after SOW:BoB/COD release.

Battle of the Mediterranean, 1940-1941

Italians aerial assault on Malta beginning June 1940: COD has RAF Gladiators and Hurricanes, and most of the significant Italian RA aircraft. One would just need maps, which would seem to be much less complex maps than the UK/France maps of COD. COD would need to add SM-79.

Italians in North Africa attack British forces in Egypt in Sep 1940. Again, COD has all of the necessary RAF and most of the necessary RA aircraft.

Italians invade Greece in October 1940. Ditto above.

Germans invade Yugoslavia and Greece in April 1941. COD has 90% of the necessary Luftwaffe aircraft and all the RAF aircraft.

Germans attack Crete and British Naval task forces in Mediterranean. COD Luftwaffe has almost all necessary aircraft. COD would have to add British Carrier(s) and carrier-based aircraft.

Rommel battles British in North Africa from Spring 1941. Would only need COD to add P40B/C for RAF, SAAF of Desert Air Force

It would seem that with a relatively small effort/cost, IL-2: MTO could be released very soon after all the major problems with COD are worked out and patched.

imho

Would totally agree the Med is much more logical as a sequel, although there are some errors in your list above.

1) No carriers used in the Crete campaign.

2) Malta would be a good addition, this would require RN Carriers. Aircraft on the Carriers absolutely required would be Sea Hurricane I (same as Hurri I but +16 boost and tailhook) and Swordfish. If you wanted all the seaborne aircraft then you'd need the Fairey Fulmar, Gladiator and Martlet, (Wildcat) and but those were a minority of the fighters used. Game already has the AI Glad so it could be implemented fairly easily. It was also the first defending land based fighter on Malta. The Italians would need the MC-200 for early Malta, and MC-202 for late plus and SM-79.

Well, as much as I want the Med, and believe me I want it badly, The Battle of Moscow does not require any capitol ships to be modeled.

Note we have no warships of any kind in CloD.

I suspect that modeling at least one battleship type, and cruiser type, and two destroyer types, for the Italian and British navies, and a Royal Navy aircraft carrier with the appropriate aircraft types for it would take a year in and of themselves, not counting any new maps.

I'll bet most of the Russian Front stuff has been done for a long time now.

;)

"Malta" doesn't have a broad enough scope to be a full addon in and of itself. It requires a significant investment in Ship models and CV operations, and in the end, its VERY narrowly focused. Its certainly something to MOD when the plane sets becomes available..but who is going to play "Malta" over and over and over?

Keeping in mind that the coders are RUSSIAN :) and that the original CORE of the IL2 series started with the Russian campaign, I think its logical in both time line and progress of the plane set. You get to integrate a lot of knew AC types that they already have in the bag, and grow the plan set.

I'll place my money on Barbarossa :)