To the Developers
 

Ladies & Gentlemen,

First let me start off by saying that I've been an avid fan of the Il-2 series since the Forgotten Battles installment several years ago. I have 1946 installed on my computer and I still play it from time to time. When I heard this series was coming to the consoles I was excited, and I've enjoyed the Xbox 360 version thus far. I've noticed a few odd errors in terms of the factual representation of the airplanes however, and this rather shocked me as the Il-2 series is what I consider one of the more factually accurate representations of WWII aircraft I've ever come across.

I'm not sure if any of these small issues can be fixed, but I thought I would at least try to bring it to your attention and see if anything can be done.

The first thing I noticed is that the weapons descriptions for the Hawker Hurricane Mk II and Bristol Blenheim are incorrect. While both aircraft carried machine guns, they were of the 7.7-mm (.303 cal.) type as opposed to the larger 12.7-mm (.50 cal.) type. I realize it's a minor issue, and most people playing the game will probably not notice it. Just something I felt I should point out. Oh, and since the 12-gun variant of the Hurricane is represented, the designation should technically be Hurricane Mk IIB. Again, not a huge deal, but just something I noticed.

Additionally, as with the Il-2 itself (at least the earlier models), the rocket armed Hurricane variants were fitted with eight RP-3 rockets as opposed to six as shown in the game. It's not a huge deal, but just something I felt I should point out. I'm guessing entire 3D model changes are rather out of the question, but it was worth mention.

The third issue I noticed involves the P-51B. The aircraft depicted in the game doesn't have the appearance of a P-51B, but rather an earlier variant of the Mustang used by the British known as the Mustang Mk.IA. This early variant of the Mustang series has the Allison V-1710 engine (notice the three-blade propeller and cowling differences as compared to a P-51 variant with the Merlin engine). Thus, in the interest of historical accuracy, this aircraft should be renamed the Mustang Mk IA in all game references to it. Additionally, the armament listing in the hangar of four 12.7-mm Brownings (which is correct for a P-51B) should be listed as four 20-mm Hispanos, which was indeed the armament of the Mustang Mk IA.

Anyways, I hope some of this information can be put to use in potential patches or game updates. Thank you for anytime you can put into reading my comments.

I dont really care about what the 'hangar' says... but I do want to know.. what IS the armament of the planes? the ones they have in the 3d model and in real life.....or the ones stated in the hangar?

Hey man, I think the same way as you. Yes, these things arn't big problems, but they are just a little anoying. Like when you're watching a period drama and you see something that shouldn't have existed yet lol. Things like this I like to be historicaly accurate. Another thing that slightly gets to me is how any Mustang is always called a P51 mustang. Even the member here called "P51" in his sig has a Mustang Mk IV, makes me go "grrrr, you should be called Mustang not P51" whenever he posts lol. It was the RAF that asked North American Aviation to build it not the USAAF afterall, so why should it always have the USAAF designation?

So anyway, about the Mustang. Which version do you think the plane called P51B mustang in BoP acually is? Maybe it IS actually an old mkIA (P-51 with no letter) with the alison engine, which would explain why it seems so slow. Also the IL2 BoP website has the plane named incorrectly as "P-51B / MkIA".
You are right in that visualy it is a MkIA and visualy it has 4 big 20mm cannons sticking out the wings. So what Morgoth says is important. Does the "P-51B" in the game perform like a real P-51B would have with small guns and a merlin engine or does it perform like it visualy should with a weak engine and powerfull cannons? (mkIA / P-51) I hope it is the later.

Should I take it that the developers don't actually read the posts or do they read them without telling you? I'm new to the forum so don't really know how things work.

You guys think this information will reach them?

IT's generally referred to as a P-51 because that's its official name. It's not our fault that you Brits decided to call it something different. We made the thing and used far more than you guys did, hence, we get to name it.

Yet another dumb american spouting crap without knowing the facts

really so we had nothing to do with the design then ??
you yanks may have made it but it was flawed.....
and it took us brits to fix that flaw with OUR bubble canopy design

to anyone knitpicking about the historical accuracy...
it's a game...

now give the autism a rest and stop being a y-chromosome clich??..

its already been stated it was for game balance.

...now just fly the thing...


as for anglo-american squabbles...BOTH countries helped make a plane...The Pilots made it a great one...

respect...
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GZ SERIES

What on earth is a cleche?

Charged with another bearing of the same figure, and of the color of the field, so large that only a narrow border of the first bearing remains visible; - said of any heraldic bearing. apparently

Thanks for hijacking and ruining the thread guys.

As for the person who criticized me for pointing out realism, I didn't think my comments were all that unreasonable. I'm simply asking for small textual fixes on things like the encyclopedia........not drastic gameplay changes.

I agree with you totally, This could be so simple for the developers to fix. But at the moment they might not even be aware of the P-51B error. I havn't unlocked the P-51B yet (gotta stop playing multiplayer) so I don't know how it's fire power seems.

Can it blow things out of the sky easily?
If Yes, then it has the 4 20mm cannons and the Name should be corected to just P-51 and the weaponry in the encyclopedia corrected.
If it can't take things down easily then it must have the 4 machineguns and the entire plane model would have to be changed in the patch to make it look like a P-51B. Thats obviously much harder to do. Instead I think the Developers should powerup the machineguns into cannons and make it into a P-51 with the encyclopedia changes I mentioned ubove. Maybe with the added firepower it would have some use online.

I say this again to make it clear. The P-51B visual model in the game IS NOT a P-51B. It IS a P-51 with no letter. They are visualy very different to those of us that know about these things.

You wouldn't expect, say when forza 3 is released to find the developers had acidently given the Ferrari Enzo a V8 sound effect and performance of a Ferrari 360. Car Fans would complain non stop. This P-51B is no different.

The most accurate thing to do is call it a Mustang Mk IA outside of the trials aircraft no usaaf p-51 ever used the cannon fit to my knowledge whereas the RAF did use that armament operationally

Good point about Forza 3, although the same goes for that game too, you would still get so many ignorant fools saying "who cares just play". Where are the advisors for this game? Pay me 8 bucks an hour and this game has none of these errors at all. Actually don't pay me at all, and it still would have been perfect. There was really no one that played this game through and had enough knowledge and intelligence to say that you can't release the game with this monstrous amount of mistakes.?

I only found out today that the P-51B in the game IS an RAF plane. As I hadn't done the mission yet I just assumed that it was a USAAF. How stupid to call it by its USAAF name then, my comment in my first post about all Mustangs being called a P-51 is again the case.

Please Developers it should be an easy fix. Your P-51B should without doubt be called a Mustang mk IA and should have 4 20mm cannons.

But would you then fly it? the name is the last thing im worying about with the P-51's. Its the lack of speed, acceleration, and stall characteristics.. I would like to see improved before giving it the correct name. now... its just not worthy to call it a p-51 OR mustang... because apart from the 3d model... it has nothing to do with those legendary planes:(

anonther thing i noticed is how the ponyD is so slow and unmanueverable o and i dont care if they made the planes like that for balance the the planes should model their real life counterparts and get reid of the arcade and realistic bs GET REAL AND FLYON :-xSIM

Sometimes I wish there was a magic temporary mod button on forums which you could press to delete posts like this, or magically turn it into a readable language.

Also this thread is about the information of planes not being historically correct. The P-51D stats are correct. There are other threads for you to complain about how the "PonyD" flies.