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Camo-234 07-31-2009 08:24 PM

Enemy Plane Damage
 
If you shoot an enemy plane and make it have a fuel leak will it quickly loose fuel and crash.

David603 07-31-2009 08:57 PM

Possibly. I know that in the PC Il2s you can get hit in a fuel tank and run out of fuel yourself, and I'm pretty sure I have seen it happen to AI planes too, but I don't know about Birds of Prey. Anyway, it takes a couple of minutes before you run out of fuel so you won't really notice unless it happens to your own plane.

Camo-234 07-31-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David603 (Post 85908)
Possibly. I know that in the PC Il2s you can get hit in a fuel tank and run out of fuel yourself, and I'm pretty sure I have seen it happen to AI planes too, but I don't know about Birds of Prey. Anyway, it takes a couple of minutes before you run out of fuel so you won't really notice unless it happens to your own plane.

Thanks for the answer. Also is it posible to blow out an enemy bombers engine and it will keep flying? Like if you shoot an HE-111's engine and it goes on fire and the propeller falls of but the bomber pilot will keep trying to fly it.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85933)
Thanks for the answer. Also is it posible to blow out an enemy bombers engine and it will keep flying? Like if you shoot an HE-111's engine and it goes on fire and the propeller falls of but the bomber pilot will keep trying to fly it.

i was wondering that myself, i havent yet seen anything to show that will happen. i will try the demo out later and see if i can get some well placed shots to see if this happens

Camo-234 07-31-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85936)
i was wondering that myself, i havent yet seen anything to show that will happen. i will try the demo out later and see if i can get some well placed shots to see if this happens

I'm going to try it too, but so far when I shoot one of the engines it just blows up and the plane crashes.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85938)
I'm going to try it too, but so far when I shoot one of the engines it just blows up and the plane crashes.

yea thats what i get, its either a fuel leak or an explosion

or the wing comes off

Camo-234 07-31-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85940)
yea thats what i get, its either a fuel leak or an explosion

or the wing comes off

Is it possible to have your engine shut off if it get hit?

SleepTrgt 07-31-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85941)
Is it possible to have your engine shut off if it get hit?

Yes, it also shuts off when youre flying to rough.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85941)
Is it possible to have your engine shut off if it get hit?

yes it is, ive done some extensive testing on the damage model and one of the things that came apparent, your engine can die and your just left to glide to the ground, it shows up on that little damage representation of your plane as black when it is not working

I once even landed the spit on that large runway with a hole blown in both wings, a hole in the tail section, bullet holes in the canopy, huge chunks in the elevators, jammed flaps, oil spattered cockpit and no propellor.

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85944)
yes it is, ive done some extensive testing on the damage model and one of the things that came apparent, your engine can die and your just left to glide to the ground, it shows up on that little damage representation of your plane as black when it is not working

I once even landed the spit on that large runway with a hole blown in both wings, a hole in the tail section, bullet holes in the canopy, huge chunks in the elevators, jammed flaps, oil spattered cockpit and no propellor.

That must have been awsome.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85946)
That must have been awsome.

Oh it was, God if only i had video recorded it.

you could probably do it yourself. just park your spit behind the enemy bomber without shooting it (very tempting) and let it fill you with hot lead until you think there is no more your plane can take. i would advise being somewhat near a runway or large field.

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85949)
Oh it was, God if only i had video recorded it.

you could probably do it yourself. just park your spit behind the enemy bomber without shooting it (very tempting) and let it fill you with hot lead until you think there is no more your plane can take. i would advise being somewhat near a runway or large field.

I'll try it. But it sems abit hard because the last time I was into the middle of an enemy bomber formation they filled my plane with so many holes I went in to an uncontrolable spin and crashed.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85951)
I'll try it. But it sems abit hard because the last time I was into the middle of an enemy bomber formation they filled my plane with so many holes I went in to an uncontrolable spin and crashed.

haha i know it all too well, i quite often have a 109 on my six when im doing it and as soon as he gets withing 50 meters of me ive got no chance. Down within a second

David603 07-31-2009 11:21 PM

I tried something like that. I thought I would have a good look at the damage modeling by parking my Spit alongside a He111 and getting shot up some. First bullet killed my pilot, which wasn't the kind of damage I was looking for, but it was funny.

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:23 PM

I have never had my pilot killed. I did like killing German bomber pilots in the original IL 2 because I could switch my camera to their plane and see the dead pilot in the cockpit while plane went spinning toward the ground.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by David603 (Post 85955)
I tried something like that. I thought I would have a good look at the damage modeling by parking my Spit alongside a He111 and getting shot up some. First bullet killed my pilot, which wasn't the kind of damage I was looking for, but it was funny.

haha, ive not had my pilot shot dead before. what happens? does your plane just go into a violent spin?

David603 07-31-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85958)
haha, ive not had my pilot shot dead before. what happens? does your plane just go into a violent spin?

You just go down and crash. In the PC Il2s, sometimes your plane will stay up in the air even with a dead pilot, but not here.

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:29 PM

My pilot has only been killed when I was playing one of my dad's flight simulator games called Combat Flight Simulator 3.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by David603 (Post 85960)
You just go down and crash. In the PC Il2s, sometimes your plane will stay up in the air even with a dead pilot, but not here.

ahhh i do miss the PC version

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:35 PM

It would be kinda cool if they added some blood so that if a pilot or gunner gets shot blood splatters all over the cockpit.

Spitfire23 07-31-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 85967)
It would be kinda cool if they added some blood so that if a pilot or gunner gets shot blood splatters all over the cockpit.

yes it would be rather cool to see blood but then again this game has to appeal to all ages, bla bla bla

Camo-234 07-31-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 85968)
yes it would be rather cool to see blood but then again this game has to appeal to all ages, bla bla bla

That is true. :(

Flanker15 08-03-2009 07:43 PM

The very first versions of Il-2 had a semi-hidden option for blood splattering on the windows and on the pilot, they took it out later though.

moozicmon 08-03-2009 07:51 PM

I just experienced this yesterday. I was trying my hand at realistic for Dover and got shot to when I was just chasing down bombers at the end. I watch my speed dwindle, by altitude get lower, and finally stall out over the water. It is maddening trying to get to the mainland going about 157 :shock:

Flanker15 08-04-2009 01:44 PM

This does remind me of what often happened in Il-2 when attacking bombers.
During the attack you'd catch one or two bullets in the engine from the bombers tail gunners which you might not even notice. The hits would cause damage to the fuel line, oil line, radiator or another component of the engine. After a while the engine would start to fail as it over heated or something and you'd eventually lose too much airspeed and crash quite a while after the origonal hit.
There was usually a weird grinding noise from the engine as it started to fail or some light smoke/fuel vapor/oil but sometimes there was no warning until you started to lose engine RPM.
Presuming the engine damage model is as good as in PC Il-2 it could be this or you could just be running the throttle at 100% for too long.
After you disengage from a battle, check the oil pressure, fuel gage and engine temp for any problems.

David603 08-04-2009 04:15 PM

Yeah, I've lost count of the number of times I have taken one or two insignificant looking hits in the engine during combat and later had to put my plane down in a field because the engine gave out while playing Il2 1946.

moozicmon 08-04-2009 06:24 PM

Here is the thing. I have never played IL2 other then this BoP demo... Even if I do check the gauge, how will I be able to fix my damage? Do I land back at the airfield?

Flanker15 08-04-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moozicmon (Post 87171)
Here is the thing. I have never played IL2 other then this BoP demo... Even if I do check the gauge, how will I be able to fix my damage? Do I land back at the airfield?

Damage is still permanent i'd imagine.
In the previous Il-2 games critical damage ment you either got back to the airfield and ended the mission alive or took you chances trying to ditch/bail out, either way the mission was over for you.
In the vids I've seen of BOP you could crash more than once and respawn so you could just do that.

Camo-234 08-04-2009 09:34 PM

I really like the damage model in the demo but I noticed that when I am in the spitfire and my left wing gets damaged there is always a large hole in the same spot evey time.

SleepTrgt 08-04-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Camo-234 (Post 87367)
I really like the damage model in the demo but I noticed that when I am in the spitfire and my left wing gets damaged there is always a large hole in the same spot evey time.

its not dynamic.
Same with bullet holes in cockpit, and the oil, all fixed places.

Flanker15 08-04-2009 11:55 PM

Still, it was one of the best looking damage models at the time and still looks great today.
SOW will have dynamic damage apparently!

David603 08-04-2009 11:58 PM

SOW is going to be amazing. No offence to Anton and his team, but a console port of Il2 doesn't really compare with the first true sequel to the original Il2.

SleepTrgt 08-05-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by David603 (Post 87409)
SOW is going to be amazing. No offence to Anton and his team, but a console port of Il2 doesn't really compare with the first true sequel to the original Il2.

Ahwell i dont have a good enough pc! so i will gladly play this game.
And fine maybe damage is fixed and does it have more of that Hollywood style, I'll still try my best to become an Ace of Aces.
Thats what this game is to me! :-P;)


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