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guiltyspark 07-29-2009 12:14 PM

videos will be posted here
 
feel free to post your own videos too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_gh...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3OAs...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6SL...eature=channel

peterdegrotere 07-29-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84745)
feel free to post your own videos too

let see some

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 03:16 PM

just took some video !

I even have an attempted landing !

let me upload it and stuff , BTW that noise you hear that sounds like a jet turbine is my case modded 360 with super fans!

irrelevant 07-29-2009 03:18 PM

I'm looking forward to this... being a lowly PS3 user and all. :P

C'mon peeps, start posting some vids! (thank you, guilty)

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 03:41 PM

first video is processing :grin:

irrelevant 07-29-2009 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84838)
first video is processing :grin:

I'm like the kid on Christmas who gets to watch all the other kids open their presents. I'm not sad because I know I get to open mine later, but this closely resembles torture. ;)

Edit: I think I just found your vid on youtube. LOL. I'm all over this!

Spi 07-29-2009 03:49 PM

Here is one, not mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_ghTNNZlc

Soviet Ace 07-29-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spi (Post 84845)

Why does he keep looking at the ground? HE SHOULD BE LOOKING UP IN THE SKY :P Don't worry, not your fault. I blame the pilot. :D

irrelevant 07-29-2009 03:54 PM

guys, that's guilty landing the plane! be nice! he was looking for the airfield.

and OMGOMGOMG! this game looks so unbelievably awesome! i can't wait for this!

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 03:55 PM

wow you guys already found it

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 03:56 PM

got another one coming

strafing bombers

irrelevant 07-29-2009 03:58 PM

thanks for the vid! i love the way the plane bounces when you land. now THAT is attention to detail.

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 84854)
thanks for the vid! i love the way the plane bounces when you land. now THAT is attention to detail.

i might be mistaken but i dont think there is a brake

I dont know how you can land planes without a brake

i got a PERFECT landing , but there was no break and i slid off the runway

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 04:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3OAs...e=channel_page


its still processing , so give it a little bit for the quality to improve and the HD button to pop up

xNikex 07-29-2009 04:05 PM

I desperately need to get a flight stick right away.

It's just to hard to resist pulling the stick all the way back.

The first thing I did on simulator was go into a horrible spin and recovered just above the trees!

I am very happy that the game is a great challenge to master and is filled with very worthy oponents. I only had to bail out once in the campaign(by choice) since my engine performance was greatly reduced thanks to the new damage model.

The He-111's are very beautifully detailed but the view doesn't last long after the waist gunner starts firing at you.:)

I love the quotes in the loading screen as well. "Aim for the bomber's engines. It won't get far without them." LOL.

I cannot wait for the full game on September 15th.

Spi 07-29-2009 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84850)
wow you guys already found it

lol it was your video, sorry :cool:

irrelevant 07-29-2009 04:14 PM

That second vid was sweet. Man, I'm excited!

Zensuji 07-29-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84856)
i might be mistaken but i dont think there is a brake

I dont know how you can land planes without a brake

i got a PERFECT landing , but there was no break and i slid off the runway

hold the left stick down and you'll brake to a complete stop....I landed in a field earlier (in sim) and found that out.

peterdegrotere 07-29-2009 04:26 PM

i landed it pretty soon its real easy, get of the gas, at last minute nose up and done

Soviet Ace 07-29-2009 04:35 PM

Hey those were some good shots on the He-111s. But I recommend this not just to you, but to everyone. Wait till your close to the enemy, and you have him good in your sights. Then let him have it, that's what I do and it always tears their plane up really good, and well you know the end :D

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace (Post 84882)
Hey those were some good shots on the He-111s. But I recommend this not just to you, but to everyone. Wait till your close to the enemy, and you have him good in your sights. Then let him have it, that's what I do and it always tears their plane up really good, and well you know the end :D

im still getting used to the gunnery , you cant really see the tracer fire as well as in the original

and every time i play the demo i have to restart it and begin on arcade again where the gunnery is balls

so its tricky to get used to it

Anton Yudintsev 07-29-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84885)
and every time i play the demo i have to restart it and begin on arcade again

Sorry, no saves, it's demo.
And we couldn't just allow user to start from simulation mode - average player will be lost and frustrated.
Won't be a problem in full game.

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 84890)
Sorry, no saves, it's demo.
And we couldn't just allow user to start from simulation mode - average player will be lost and frustrated.
Won't be a problem in full game.

im not complaining about it , i understand

i dont think there has ever been a demo with saves

Anton Yudintsev 07-29-2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84891)
im not complaining about it , i understand

i dont think there has ever been a demo with saves

I think it is violation of TCRs. Demo should work equally on all systems - and Xbox Arcade doesn't have an HDD.

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 84894)
I think it is violation of TCRs. Demo should work equally on all systems - and Xbox Arcade doesn't have an HDD.

true
BTW tell the team they did an incredible job on the game

The arcade mode IMO is more engaging than Ace combat.

I can see good things coming for you guys , and i DO predict enough success for a sequel (wink wink)

And i know this is a weird question but if you do start on a sequal to it , could you give the community a survey or something to fill out about future features / tweaks they would like to see in the game and engine?

Anton Yudintsev 07-29-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84897)
And i know this is a weird question but if you do start on a sequal to it , could you give the community a survey or something to fill out about future features / tweaks they would like to see in the game and engine?

Nothing weird here.
Not sure about survey, but we definetly will take feedback in account.
From both hardcore flightsim (such as guys here, on forum) and casual players.

l88bastard 07-29-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 84906)
Nothing weird here.
Not sure about survey, but we definetly will take feedback in account.
From both hardcore flightsim (such as guys here, on forum) and casual players.

Hey Anton, do you think there will ever be a TRACK IR for the 360 or ps3 version...love this demo and love the il2 series on my computer with track ir and I miss it dearly on the xbox 360 version!!

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 84906)
Nothing weird here.
Not sure about survey, but we definetly will take feedback in account.
From both hardcore flightsim (such as guys here, on forum) and casual players.

totally understand that

BTW i really liked the tutorial mission , i like the way you desribed word for word on how the player is supposed to control the plane , detailing even simple turning.



I even learned something from its narrative ( i learned what WEP means , never knew before )



But i think there was a bug for me , it took forever for me to get past the loop part , i think the loop has to be perfectly streight

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l88bastard (Post 84910)
Hey Anton, do you think there will ever be a TRACK IR for the 360 or ps3 version...love this demo and love the il2 series on my computer with track ir and I miss it dearly on the xbox 360 version!!

nope will never happen unfortunately

but the second best thing for 360 is the ace edge stick has a great analog stick on it for looking around

Soviet Ace 07-29-2009 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84885)
im still getting used to the gunnery , you cant really see the tracer fire as well as in the original

and every time i play the demo i have to restart it and begin on arcade again where the gunnery is balls

so its tricky to get used to it

Don't worry. I understand where your coming from. I've had a hard time getting used to it as well. But I'm getting it.

Also Anton, you guys should make a Pacific one now. I'd love to get my hands on a F4F-3 Wildcat, to defend Wake Island. Same with a Buffalo. And don't forget the A6M2 Zero, needs to be there also.

Great job on the demo, and I know the real thing will be GREAT!!

Anton Yudintsev 07-29-2009 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l88bastard (Post 84910)
Hey Anton, do you think there will ever be a TRACK IR for the 360 or ps3 version...love this demo and love the il2 series on my computer with track ir and I miss it dearly on the xbox 360 version!!

TrackIR can (but it is VERY tricky) be on a PS3.
But both consoles will have cameras soon (PS3 already has PS eye), so it can be simulated.
But those cameras are not popular...

versapak 07-29-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 84915)
nope will never happen unfortunately

but the second best thing for 360 is the ace edge stick has a great analog stick on it for looking around


Yep, it will happen. It won't be TrackIR, but the 360 will have Natal, which is their motion tracking camera, and head tracking is just one of many ways they can implement Natal into traditional gaming.

Whether or not developers implement it is another question, but the technology will definitely be there on the 360 in a major way. MS is talking about launching Natal as if they were launching a new system.

Anton Yudintsev 07-29-2009 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by versapak (Post 84924)
Yep, it will happen. It won't be TrackIR, but the 360 will have Natal, which is their motion tracking camera, and head tracking is just one of many ways they can implement Natal into traditional gaming.

Whether or not developers implement it is another question, but the technology will definitely be there on the 360 in a major way. MS is talking about launching Natal as if they were launching a new system.

Exactly.
But it is not launched yet.

Kamak86 07-29-2009 05:54 PM

Anyone else figure out that you get little achivement cards if you do a specfic maneuvers? like a Split-S and Barrel Roll and Emelmann(sp)...i dunno how many there are...its a challenge!!

Ive done the Split-s Barrel roll and Emelmann

fuzzychickens 07-29-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 84920)
TrackIR can (but it is VERY tricky) be on a PS3.
But both consoles will have cameras soon (PS3 already has PS eye), so it can be simulated.
But those cameras are not popular...

You make a good point about the camera (esp 360 one), that would be a perfect setup for view control with the added bonus of not wearing anything goofy.

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamak86 (Post 84942)
Anyone else figure out that you get little achivement cards if you do a specfic maneuvers? like a Split-S and Barrel Roll and Emelmann(sp)...i dunno how many there are...its a challenge!!

Ive done the Split-s Barrel roll and Emelmann

saw this earlier , it was cool

OntheCrab 07-29-2009 07:27 PM

gahhhh! just got home

I had to read what you guys were saying before i played...

70% complete....SO GDAMN PUMPED!


nice vids guilty

irrelevant 07-29-2009 07:39 PM

Anyone else have some vids they'd like to share? Keep us PS3 gamers entertained, please. ;)

Satyricon 07-29-2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace (Post 84919)
Also Anton, you guys should make a Pacific one now.

You're terrain mapping would be much easier.

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 08:31 PM

1 new video incoming

gonna take a bit of time

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 09:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6SL...e=channel_page

DH1979 07-29-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 85033)

Cheers, good stuff. Got any more?

guiltyspark 07-29-2009 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH1979 (Post 85039)
Cheers, good stuff. Got any more?

i will take some more tonight lol

im pissed off at the quality of my camera , im seriously debating getting a DVR that i can plug into my tv

peterdegrotere 07-30-2009 10:22 AM

check this video from gametrailer, check at 0.57 sec. the enemy plane hits you and you lose a peace of wing,

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ga...turmovik/53549

philip.ed 07-30-2009 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterdegrotere (Post 85222)
check this video from gametrailer, check at 0.57 sec. the enemy plane hits you and you lose a peace of wing,

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ga...turmovik/53549

That's a nice touch, but the planes seem to get shot down too easily...and the thick black smoke is so unrealistic :confused: Still, really looking forward to the demo on PSN :grin:

booterboy 07-30-2009 01:56 PM

please post vidssssssss
 
it seems that guilty is the only person uploadig vids.
btw thanks guilty keep em coming.
ps3 owners like myself really appreciate some vids.
so pleaseeeeee xbox 360 owners feed us.

haitch40 07-30-2009 01:58 PM

if ps3 demo dont come soon im going on a rampage lol
im joking please dont get the police round my house lol

philip.ed 07-30-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 85288)
if ps3 demo dont come soon im going on a rampage lol
im joking please dont get the police round my house lol

They're on their way :-P

guiltyspark 07-30-2009 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booterboy (Post 85286)
it seems that guilty is the only person uploadig vids.
btw thanks guilty keep em coming.
ps3 owners like myself really appreciate some vids.
so pleaseeeeee xbox 360 owners feed us.

i will try to take some more

dont know what to take it of

any ideas for videos guys?

P-51 07-30-2009 03:00 PM

Belly landing from outside? Proper dogfight? Just suggestions.
Chris

guiltyspark 07-30-2009 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-51 (Post 85311)
Belly landing from outside? Proper dogfight? Just suggestions.
Chris

i dont think that belly landings can be done in this game

im not sure , i can try

and i did a dogfight last night , but it was in arcade , cool none the less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHVfy...e=channel_page

P-51 07-30-2009 03:07 PM

Not bad :grin: ok i want to see what happens to the AC thats all lol, Keep up the good work!
Chris

guiltyspark 07-30-2009 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-51 (Post 85315)
Not bad :grin: ok i want to see what happens to the AC thats all lol, Keep up the good work!
Chris

air conditioning?

haitch40 07-30-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 85300)
They're on their way :-P

oh nuts my sister is in police so im screwed :P

Satyricon 07-30-2009 03:14 PM

Not sure how challenging the Dogfighting will be - all of the AI is well below 10,000 feet. Besides - you get more intense action when there's flesh and blood flying your opponent.

haitch40 07-30-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 85318)
air conditioning?

air con in a spitfire ahh man it would clear the sweat from my head

elneilios 07-30-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 85324)
air con in a spitfire ahh man it would clear the sweat from my head

Spits have this feature already..... pull back the canopy to turn it on :grin:

P-51 07-30-2009 03:22 PM

No not air con, Air Craft. Sorry should have been more specific !
Chris

philip.ed 07-30-2009 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 85322)
oh nuts my sister is in police so im screwed :P

:grin:

guiltyspark 07-30-2009 05:11 PM

new video being uploaded to youtube as we speak

P-51 07-30-2009 06:14 PM

KK thanks!

P-51 07-30-2009 07:01 PM

Found 9 mins of vid on youtube! Enjoy if you havent seen.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ltT...d#movie_player

philip.ed 07-30-2009 07:42 PM

Very nice video. My only quandry is that the planes seem to get shot down too easily. I know that cannons are effective, but I can't recall having that many good results from il-2 1946...

P-51 07-30-2009 07:45 PM

Yes but i think he is on arcade.
Chris

sasquatch 07-30-2009 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 85454)
Very nice video. My only quandry is that the planes seem to get shot down too easily. I know that cannons are effective, but I can't recall having that many good results from il-2 1946...

I'm not sure if it is set up differently for arcade mode versus sim mode but it seemed like I had a much tougher time bringing planes down in sim mode than I did in arcade. Seemed like there was more bullet arc and the enemy was tougher...but again, it could have just been me having a tougher time flying and lining up the shot.

Kirill Yudintsev 07-30-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasquatch (Post 85456)
I'm not sure if it is set up differently for arcade mode versus sim mode but it seemed like I had a much tougher time bringing planes down in sim mode than I did in arcade. Seemed like there was more bullet arc and the enemy was tougher...but again, it could have just been me having a tougher time flying and lining up the shot.

Arcade mode has auto-aim and simplified arcade damage points both. In realistic and sim modes you need to hit vital part of aircraft (pilots, engine, and so on) or destroy aerodynamic surface by enough damage (hard to perform in fact, especially on large bombers). In arcade mode you can hit vitals too, but also on some certain hits enemy falls too (like common hitpoints, depends on where you hit an enemy too)
And of course it is much harder to aim and handle on realistic and sim modes.

He-111 in the begining of war was very unprotected in fact. What was his real defence is poor RAF tactics (they flight with three pilots in a wing, not pairs, and had no experience) and gunners. Gunners are not effective in destroying fighters. Gunners are effective to protect them. It is hard to concentrate get close aim and fire, when you are under fire.
We have noticed in multiplayer that experinced virtual ace is much more effective on He-111 then unexperieced on spitfire or other fighters, even in common dogfight!

Truth is that common bomber (not highly protected like Il-2, Il-10, Stuka or Flying Fortress for example) usually were put down by 1,5-2,5 salvo (less then a 2 seconds of fire) in a fire distance.
He-111 in the begining of war wasn't protected enough to withstand fire even from 12mm bullets from 400-600 yards. Of course it is hard to hit target in 600 yards. If you dont have autoaim :)

OntheCrab 07-30-2009 08:19 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Kirill.
That makes sense, I noticed that the damage model was tougher on realistic. Once you move on from Arcade the game smacks the purse out of your hand!

The production team has spoken! Two Yudintsevs are better than one.....less typing for Anton. :)

Kirill Yudintsev 07-30-2009 08:21 PM

Thnx

Just a bit more time now.

sasquatch 07-30-2009 08:31 PM

Yes, thanks a lot Kirill!

philip.ed 07-30-2009 09:09 PM

Thanks for the info. Could I ask, is it easier to shoot the AI down than it is for them to shoot you down? So if you were in a 1 v 1 dogfight, the ai pilot might be shooting at you for a while causing damage yo your plane, but you get on his tail for a few seconds and blow him to kingdom come...:confused:

Kirill Yudintsev 07-30-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 85519)
Thanks for the info. Could I ask, is it easier to shoot the AI down than it is for them to shoot you down? So if you were in a 1 v 1 dogfight, the ai pilot might be shooting at you for a while causing damage yo your plane, but you get on his tail for a few seconds and blow him to kingdom come...:confused:

On Arcade mode you have much more chances. Your flightmodel is much more easy to control as well as your engine power is much more that AI has. Also you have autoaim on your side and damages of your aircraft doesn't affect your handling or anything else.
Your speed is usually higher that means that AI has difficulties to aim.
On other side AI on arcade mode is the same as on realistic or simulator, and even weaker - he is taken 'arcade' damage - as well as 'realistic'.

philip.ed 07-30-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirill Yudintsev (Post 85524)
On Arcade mode you have much more chances. Your flightmodel is much more easy to control as well as your engine power is much more that AI has. Also you have autoaim on your side and damages of your aircraft doesn't affect your handinling or anything else.
Your speed is usually higher that means that AI has difficulties to aim.
On other side AI on arcade mode is the same as on realistic or simulator, and even weaker - he is taken 'arcade' damage - as well as 'realistic'.

Thanks for the input Kirill ;)

Spitfire23 07-30-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 85313)
i dont think that belly landings can be done in this game

im not sure , i can try

Yeah its possible, ive been doing some extensive testing on the damage model and landing the plane in many different way.

I once even landed the spit on that large runway with a hole blown in both wings, a hole in the tail section, bullet holes in the canopy, huge chunks in the elevators, jammed flaps and no propellor.

alot of the time your plane will explode after screaching to halt when doing a belly landing but i would recommend dropping your speed to approx 100-110 Mph - (Note: Mph not Kmph) and bringing the belly of the aircraft to a gentle touchdown, you may lose a wing but youre still alive ;)

Orange Power T 07-31-2009 11:56 PM

I'll try to help Guilty by posting some videos. For those that have not seen it this id the intro video on the demo.

I'll get some gameplay videos up later. I'm just having a hard time on realistic and sim with a controller. Got to buy a stick that will work on 360 now. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYWXUr_XyI

Orange Power T 08-01-2009 04:54 AM

Here is some on Arcade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNvDo1zmR0s

trk29 08-01-2009 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guiltyspark (Post 85302)
i will try to take some more

dont know what to take it of

any ideas for videos guys?


How about some of the tutorial.

I have to ask, I have seen oil splatter up on the screen in Third person Arcade but I haven't seen oil splatter on the canopy in first person, does this happen?

Spitfire23 08-01-2009 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 86092)
How about some of the tutorial.

I have to ask, I have seen oil splatter up on the screen in Third person Arcade but I haven't seen oil splatter on the canopy in first person, does this happen?

When you say first person, do you mean cockpit? if so the answer is Yes, if its your own oil it stays there permanantly but if its from a bomber infront of you it splatters on cockpit canopy and then washes away with the wind

trk29 08-01-2009 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire23 (Post 86094)
When you say first person, do you mean cockpit? if so the answer is Yes, if its your own oil it stays there permanantly but if its from a bomber infront of you it splatters on cockpit canopy and then washes away with the wind

Nice! Just what I wanted to hear!

ThatYoungGameGuy 08-02-2009 05:46 PM

Just a compilation of clips. Enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAFRKI5oBKA

philip.ed 08-02-2009 06:05 PM

Lovely video, those oil-splat effects are amazing...

ThatYoungGameGuy 08-02-2009 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 86489)
Lovely video, those oil-splat effects are amazing...

thanks, yeah there pretty good :)

ThatYoungGameGuy 08-04-2009 03:52 PM

Being shot down in cockpit view, pretty awesome ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIejWLHAMp4

irrelevant 08-04-2009 04:01 PM

@ thatyounggameguy: think you could make longer videos? I love the music you currently use in each video, but they are so short I'm left feeling a little disappointed. I would much rather see a three minute video with that music.

;)

ThatYoungGameGuy 08-04-2009 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 87097)
@ thatyounggameguy: think you could make longer videos? I love the music you currently use in each video, but they are so short I'm left feeling a little disappointed. I would much rather see a three minute video with that music.

;)

ok man, i'll make a 3 minute video for my next upload.

irrelevant 08-04-2009 06:04 PM

Sweeeeeet! Thanks! :)

timuss 08-06-2009 02:08 PM

Great video's i can't wait to play this i need a flight sim fix.


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