Reaching Level 70 on Impossible is....Well Impossible
 

So I just finished the game on impossible only to find out I made it too level 65 as a Soothsayer. Now before you say what about this and what about that, I am going to tell you everything I did and still came up well short of 5 levels to get to level 70.

Learning talent 20 percent increase in experience---had this by apx level 7 maxxed out

Belt of the Ice Dragon gives 10 percent increased experience in battle---had this by apx level 10

Treasure Hunter level 3 gives 7 percent more experience in battle---Had this maxed almost before the spider boss but had it maxed before level 25

Gifted Warrior 15 percent more experience points for the hero----again had this maxed at around level 15

I will say this I never found 1 Ancient Knowledge Scroll in my entire travels or I would have duplicated the crap out of it to give myself a lot experience.

Did 715 battles and 114 quest in my journey(Had 4 quest I was unable to finish which could have led to a couple more)

Now I could not have missed more than maybe 15 fights tops between the people I let go and maybe a spawn that got replaced by a new spawn or a bugged quest. But to make sure that did not happen I would go around and clear every random spawn first in every area I had access too before I touched any quest people or talked to anyone. This way so I could guarantee that new spawns would not replace old spawns and I was able to do every battle available too me. I also know there is a guy you can fight if you want to pay 1 million gold but I am sure fighting him 9 times (Have about 9 mil gold)is not going to get me to level 70 maybe would get me another level or two tops, but still with every single item I had and talent I should have hit level 70 no problem on impossible.

This was a very buggy and disappointing game for a series that has become one of my favorite series only to realize that north Demonis and Marshan Swamp are not accessible which would have made it possible to achieve level 70 more than likely. On top of that this is the first game I was unable to get every spell to rank 3 and still have plenty of crystals left over. Part of that reason is cause of the added rune spell school and partly cause I must have seen over 50 building that had nobody home or were not accessible so there felt like a lot less items available cause of how unfinished and rushed the game was. Besides that there was a total of 3 boss fights!!!.....that is right the entire game had 3 boss fight. Like what a joke. Every boss fight I did gave some pretty disappointing experience gain I think I recall the final boss Guilford giving me less that 3k experience.

This game took me longer to beat(apx 150 hours compared to 140 hours) than King's Bounty The Legend(which felt like by far the best put together one of the series sadly)but yet this game had almost 300 less battles in it. Part of the reason it took so long probably an extra 20 hours is I had to sit and wait for mana to regen (Usually a 2 minute wait between almost every fight at least that is a lot when 500 of those battles you had to wait)which took a especially long time after you got the might talent that allowed you to keep part of your rage between fights.

Just for all you know doing an impossible run hoping to hit level 70 all I have to say is good luck too you.

And if someone feels anywhere that I could have gained way more experience doing something different I am always up for suggestions.

Wrong. Of course you can reach lvl 70 on impossible. You can get infinite experience in this game if you know how. :D

Yea exploiting and cheating makes the game rewarding right

what's it matter if you can reach the max level or not? in many old school rpgs the only way to reach the max level was to 'sploit' or 'grind' endlessly in a way that was pointless nonsense... if this is the same scenario is that a problem?


why is beating the game below the max level bad?

This whole game is only about exploiting. Unit exploitation, spell exloitation, items, etc. And I don't know what you're talking about with cheating. I was not reffering to cheating, only losers cheat. You get infinite xp by legit means. It's not my fault the game allows that.

Also use (and multiply) some Ancient Knowledge scrolls if you find them and that gets you to 70.

one thing i've noticed about wotn is wanderer scrolls are a lot rarer than before, so far i've found 2 total all game, actually i found 1, and 1 was from the bird by default... and i'm lvl40... by the same lvl in kb:cw i had several to choose from

Ill explain to you since you are not quite understanding the point of the post. They put an achievement to get to max level. So max level should be attainable with some form of effort outside of exploiting game mechanics or cheating. Old school rpgs did not have an achievement to do that so the level you beat the game at was what it was as long as you were strong enough to beat the final boss. And I doubt you played most "old school" rpgs cause most "old school" rpgs 90 percent of them did not have a level cap.

So no this is not the same scenario. The fact is they put the achievement in with the regards you would be able to go to Marshan Swamp and clear the other half of demonis which never happened and why do you think you see so many empty houses in the game those were going to be quest they never put in. If i recall The Legend had almost twice as many quest in it so that is why I came up 5 levels short of the achievement they are saying is possible.

I like to put as much challenge into a game as I can and completing achievements is something I like to do and they happened to add achievements into this King's Bounty so when I am striving to complete an achievement they put into the game only to find out it was never possible I think is a poor job on their part.

Maybe that will enlighten you a little better since the original post obviously confused you.

This is where you are wrong. The whole game is not about exploiting its about taking advantage of the weaknesses of your enemies. There is a big difference there that you do not seem to understand. If you are exploiting you are not playing the game as intended and are more or less cheating in a way the game allows you to. So I will explain to you in a more simple term since I can tell things are not easily understood by you and spell check seems to be failing you even when its programed into website.

Using fire against plants....taking advantage of a weakness
Using slow on a fast melee enemy....taking advantage of a weakness
Using Chargers,Calm Rage,Runic Word....exploiting infinite mana and rage the way most people do for a no loss run
Crafting an item that you can fight the keepers and then destroying it to get the same amount of crystals if not more back and then spamming valkyrie gold during the battle.......exploiting infinite gold and xp and crystals

You get the point between exploiting and taking advantage of weaknesses. The game is a single player game only and like most single player games they all have exploits in them that the developer does not bother to put limitations on them cause its not a multiplayer game so they do not bother with it and work on more important things. Look at Skyrim you can exploit that game 500 times over "legitimately" but you know when you are exploiting. Its really up to you if you want to spend your time exploiting a single player game and try to say oh yea I beat that game the legit way even though you know the developers never intended for that game mechanic to be used that way.

The game allows cheat codes too so that is okay too right?

Oh yea on the Ancient Knowledge scroll I mentioned that in my first post but I guess you missed that too since the game shouldn't require making 50 Ancient Knowledge scrolls to achieve max level. If you need so I can could probably simplify this even more for you and not use such big words next time.

I can tell you are a bit bewildered, matey, so I will try to write an explanation so clear, that even You can understand it. :)

You are not the one to decide how is this game "intended" to be played. I installed the game, got into it, and use whatever I can use if I want. You seem to be bad at basic logic, because cheating means doing something that the game doesn't allow you to. Please try at least to not contradict yourself.

I ask you then, Killing 1000 polar bears with 1 single royal snake? :grin: What is this,, taking advantage of a weakness? Or a game mechanic exploitation? As I sayed earlyer, this whole game is about such exploitation, whether you or anybody else like that or not. Beating 1000 bears with 1 snake isn't strategy, isn't cleverness, isn't "taking advantage of a weakness", - it's quite clearly, exploitation my son. Some like it and some hate it but it's exploitation nonetheless.


It's well known that developers themselves intended to make it possible to beat 1000 polar bears with a royal snake. They with all knowledge of it, chose to do so. Not me. I didn't do anything. I'm just exploting what I can, effectively raping the game. Well, I chosen the Impossible difficulty, and they sayed I must do whatever I can in order to beat an invincible enemy. So? I'm doing just that.
Just like everybody else.

Jesus, NO, dude, that would be cheating. Cheat codes are definetly NOT part of the game, where did you get this false information from? Getting infinite Gold by legit means is respectable however.

This is not for YOU to decide. Game shouldn't let you to beat 1000 polar bears with 1 snake but... it does, so.. there's nothing that I, nor you, can change about that.

That's ok, don't bother. I hope you learn from what I told you.

duh - why not install the classic mod that increases game time when you hover over the day/night hud till you have full mana. its not cheating just a time saver and your rage decreases too, during that time

Okay you still can not seem to catch on alright Ill break it down even further for you.

You are right, that is why I said that is not how the "developers" intended it to be played. That I clearly stated in my previous post.

then you go on to say.......

And then this....

Seems as though spell check failed you again on a couple different occasions. Makes your point kinda moot when you can not even use the spell check the website provides to you and then you call me son as if I am a child.

You go on arguing about 1 single royal snake can kill 1000 polar bears. I almost do not even want to argue this point it is so bad of an example on your part. Royal Snake speed 3 with 1 space gap reach....Polar Bear speed 2 as soon as you attack once Polar Bears move in and kill you and no amount of Hero stats could save 1 Royal Snake from 1000 Polar Bears. For surely you could come up with a better example.

But I tell you what you seem so sure of yourself here that it is possible lets see a youtube video of 1 single Royal Snake taking on 1000 Polar Bears.

If you say so. I am sure you are the most respected person in King's Bounty.:cool: You keep on exploiting there cause the game allows it.

More than you could imagine...I learned so much from that last post. One thing especially I need to hold my side better so it does not hurt so much from laughing at your example.:-P

My son... Here's how it goes:

The royal snakes move 3 and also can attack every 2 rounds at a distance of 2. When the royal snakes are at distance of 2 hexes from the Polar Bears they only have to WAIT. This is the part you seem not to be able to GRASP.

Take note I am not talking about a single stack of Polar Bears but MULTIPLE. This means I can kill with 1 single Royal snake not 1 stack of 1000 polar bears but 4 and even 5 stacks of 1000 polar bears.

To explain in a manner so that even those like you can understand, when they are at distance 2 , you just Wait, for them to complete their turn (they have initiative 4 and sankes 6). After they move, you simply attack them for free.

The next turn you just move away at distance 3. And they will only be able to come into distance 2 on their turn. THe turn after that you BACK AWAY 1 single turn and then press WAIT. After they move you attack for free, and REPEAT ad infinitum until you win.

I undersant you don't have enough strategy to do this but I do and many other that are good at strategy. BUt this isn't even strategy it's a classical and easy exploit of some poorly thought out game mechanic.

I really hope this helps cause I explain so that even you can undersant.

you couldn't beat 5 stacks of 1000 polar bears that way though because you'd get boxed in but it is a good way to beat 1000 anything slow, and even moreso if the enemy is FAST but you can cast slow on it and keep it slowed you can kill 1000 of almost anything melee that way, it's what I do all the time, although since I usually have more than 1 royal snake by the time I can cast slow constantly... it doesn't even take that long

or just cast spells like calm rage, or chargers near the end of a fight, there are also ~20-50 potions of mana you can buy and then use liberally throughout the game, i found mana to be a bigger worry in kb:cw then kb:wotn at least personally

First turn snakes move 3 and bear 2 (distance is 3 between them)
Second turn snakes wait for bear to move bear use run (4 move) and kill snake. If snake move 2 back and wait bear can move 2 and end his turn. Then use run in neat (that would be good AI). And all this crap about killing 1000000000000 bears with 1 royal snake good luck with it.
All in all battle lost for snake.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. I have done this in AP/CW many times over. Bears waste their Run on turn 1 because of Bad AI so this is not a threat. And on turn 1 it's just silly to move 3, because you must only move 2 and attack with Lounge. :)

I'm positive that on a clear battlefield you can, because AI is just too poor to execute a surround properly. I would admit that few battles are always totally clear, but in any case, there's rarely a problem to do slalom between the clueless slow moving enemies. Maybe I'll make a demonstration at some point.

how come we can't access Marshan Swamp ?

your so obsessed with that royal snake vs bear thing

IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT

Royal snake just pwn any bear SNAKE>bear

it has nothing to do with stupid ai just Better unit vs a less good unit


for example u can also kill 9k bears with 1 black dragon/red dragon/bone dragon (possible any dragon)

by letting it just use his rechargable special


so oh yeah this is pure exploit since we use a unit abilities yay so SON get your facts right

There are alot of units that just get raped because they are slow that is just a speed + ini issue (nothing which even comes close to being an exploit)

unlike the infinite crystal/money/xp regenatators which are in the game which the devs obviously didn't want to be in the game

that is a BIG exploit

You say you are so smart and have done universaty but can't even understand that there is a difference in units and that some are better than others, so by using better units to make a fight easier is by your assumption a exploit i am really laughing my ass off with your "LOGIC"

And you know what you are really theory crafting alot but can't provide anything really usefull, and making yourself a troll

Also where is my 1v1 challenge with any homm series?

you said you were oh so good well show it to me i got all homm series (save for crappy 6)

so first you should go to a better universaty and LEARN something and then go read a BIG dictionary and learn what words mean and then u can post on forums like these and contribute something


or stay like this but then just be quiet on these forums unless you REALLY want to contribute something , since i am getting really boring with your repetetive examples of how things should be working and stuff. it's always about the same and already in like 3-4 threads u gave the royal snake vs bear example. You must be one HELL OF a smart man producing only 1 example


i know that is very hard for you to get more since everytime when someone ask u for more examples or different ones you just say

i will add you to my ignore list cause SON your logic is wrong
right?

so feel free to put me on it :), if you already haven't done so
mr freedom of speech

I would say that reusing a recipe 100times for infinite bonuses is probably an exploit, probably also a bug, and ideally I'd imagine this game would work properly if recipe's could each only be used one, OR if they could be reused at some sort of higher cost level, I certainly agree about that not being a feature the as the feature of snakes being better than bears because the ai sucks...


Basically it's sploits versus exploits... are you exploiting your resources? the dictionary term that means utilizing those resources? OR are you sploiting? and utilizing a facet of gameplay that slipped through quality control to subvert the standard gameplay mechanics that people tend to agree were intended....now the line between these two can blur, because really, who are we to know what the devs thought? in disgaea sploits's are exploits! and there are even little in game references and jokes about it.... king's bounty is not disgaea though!

I don't understand the point of recipes at all. They seem like a completely needless introduction to the game. Perhaps they were intended to make the Artificer skill slightly more useful, but they don't really accomplish it.

All recipes are, at the end of the day, are items that you need a skill in order to possess (and have higher costs associated with them). There's no difference between crafting an item and getting the item itself. So why bother having recipes at all? If you had a companion with item slots, then perhaps it would be nice to be able to make multiples, since you could use multiples, but in general, you can't.

I'm for removing them from the game entirely, which would solve the exploit problem as a side benefit.

I assume to exploit recipe you need some lvl 1 upgradable recipe? If so then it seems rather low chance for it, im lvl 40 and dont have any of such.

Buddy, you need to control. Trolling this way in every thread is a problem...

So let me get this right you try to kill multiple stacks of slow melee units with 1 royal snake all the time and you are successful at doing it?.....Youtube or it didn't happen.:)

Amen

@Razorflame dont worry about certain person placing you in her ignore list, there is bunch of us there and were having great party :-P
About exploits, and broken things here`s one i noticed 15 minutes after checking game files.
Heartless achievement says you need to lose 10.000 units in game to get it (it`s just shiny thing doesnt give you anything but players love shiny things :-)
Possible to do in 1 battle.
Needed things for it :
- reserve skill
- full lds of thorn warriors and hunters , + those troops in reserve if possible total 10.000. If not then some fragile units like peasants, fairies and such, but thorns best i think. Then 3x1 black dragon and or 3x1 red dragons, depending what you have in shops.
- find some easy battle and let thorns die as much as possible and drop enemy to some small range stack and then fly over thorns/use red dragons rail flame and kill them . Reserve skill will replace them with fresh troops at every 8/6/4 turns depending on reserve skill lvl (killing your own units get lots of rage so spam it for medals, also use thorns to rise summons and get even more rage/mana for killing them).
After some time you`ll kill all your 10.000 units in 1 battle and gain bunch of rage exp. Also this battle should give you at least 150.000 dmg taken toward Trouble seeker achievement (almost 30% of needed in 1 battle). Talking about exploits.

Not even guardian medal couldn`t be lvlup in only 1 battle with 3lvl higher magic and 5x1 archmage in AP/CW. Trapper on other hand could be achieved in 1 battle with 5x1 inquisitor and transmutate skill for spamming trap spell.

how about you don't need to spend a single rune to get this done in one battle :) just endlessly phantom royal thorns with a rune mage and have high leadership... lose nothing but phantoms and summons, and the summons of summons, and you can lose 10,000 troops in a no lose playthrough in one fight! however... who cares how is it an exploit? achievements in this game are pointless and were just added in this wotn edition! ( or heck just wait till you're level 70 and bring 10,000 units into a battle straight up!)


medals are great, they're like achievements but you get rewards so they're fun to do, the actual achievements are entirely pointless beyond belief, and I'm sick of pointless chieves in my games these days.


borderlands 2 achievements I really loved, you got minor 1% bonuses to things if you did a few dozen achievements, I explored every zone for hours stupidly just looking for those random easter egg hidden chieves

I am not forced to use (only) 1 royal snake, but it can be done with even 1. It's much simple with a full stack of royals. and in the other slots, say, a single unit you don't care about to act as suicide diversions. In Bolo for example there was the strong stack guarding the Verona map. 30-40% of the time it would be guarded only by Ancient Bears and/or Bears and/or Polar Bears, maybe few Hyenas or few other thing which could easily be killed with spell or pet dragon. The thing is in this fight (which would be classified as invincible at this point, the only sure way to win the battle would be to exploit the Snake-Bear thing to it's maximum. You couldn't win the fight with Inquisitors, Archers, and so on.

When all is said and done, I explained clearly how this is done. If you think I am a liar this is just a free accusation. Get more strategy.

Wow man, you went on a rave back there. Calm down. :o

I sent you a PM regarding homm challange.

Kudos to you for understanding what I explained with the snake. You say I give only 1 example. Well.. You can beat 1000 of any melee that moves 2, has initiative less then 6 with a single Assassin. So there are multiple examples but I think the trademark of the imbalance of unit abilities is to point out how a snake kills thousands of bears.

If my posts bother you, put me on ignore or notify the moderators of this forum. No need to tell me to stop posting because you don't have any right to do so.

@namad Killing summons doesnt count to nothing in this game (try upgrading some item and see that only enemy units listed on end of battle are those showed in first turn, you can leave i tower to summon millions of units to fight them but they dont count for kill count, only give you 2 mana per destroyed stack from transmutate skill. same thing goes to boss fights only boss count toward exp, not troops he call in battle, look at spider - he can brings thousands of spiders only exp you`ll get is for killing him). So your idea for iklling summons toward heartless achievement wont work.

As you say here medals are interesting to spend my effort getting, buy actual achievements are just something shiny for player to see in his/her screen and utterly pointless gameplay wise :-(

could someone answer my question please , we really can't access Marshan Swamp ?
or maybe the OP didn't find the map ?

I couldnt access Marshan Swamp aswell, also entire continent unlocks at once so i don't think map is an issue.

Guys, why dont you fight tiny johar for 100000 gold. and multiply your ancient wisdoms.

if you cant get ancient wisdom, wait for an opportunity where the quest gives you a map, but you already have the map, so they give you a summoners scroll instead. then keep changing the variables until you get a ancient wisdom.

he gives you shitload of experience, and you should be loaded with a few mil gold considering you leveled up your gold valkyrie early.

so easy!

oh and theres another regalia/artifact item that gives you 5% more exp. so....you dont have it.

tough luck bro...

I did pretty much every quest and talked to every person at least twice to make sure they did not have an extra quest for me. So I am pretty sure that map is not accessible because you have to visit every map in the game to do something to progress the story.

Yea I had that but I did not use it got it I think around level 40 to 50 but at that point I did not want to drop several points of intellect to wear that too. If I would have come up at level 68 to 69 then maybe it could have made a difference but not 5 levels after all the xp enhancements I had on my character already and still came up well short of 70. I am thinking they probably need to up the xp gains on impossible by 10 percent since it seemed like I was behind in level compared to people running the game through on normal.

how can we know which quests will give us maps we've already got or not?
I'm level 39 now and I've gotten ONE REPEAT MAP AND RANDOM SCROLL ALL GAME LONG AND I GOT IT AT LIKE LEVEL 12... yep maps are way less common in this game than say kb:cw (at least repeats of them that is) basically wotn just has less access to wanderer scrolls than any previous kb game ever? like you get the scroll writer super early, and 1 scroll from that, then also on island 2 you can earn a scroll, then I save the elf king, open the portal to demonis, etc, clear a pirate island, NO additional scrolls ?!!?

hoe can i fight tiny johar? i click him talk to him repeateably but still nothing..

the option popped up for me after I completed all the alliance main quests (vikings, elves, dwarves).

As for repeat maps, I've found about 3 opportunities to get ones.
a) Vestlig, pick up the map behind Christa. You'll get an extra as you progress through quests.
b) Merlassar: in Arlania, talk to the barkeeper first chance you get. An elf will give you the map. You'll get a spare by the poisoned elf later on.
c) Go to Riftlands and Gotlands via New Kordar. You'll get a Gotlands map from the Viking king as he tells you to go there, but you already have it because you discovered Gotlands on your own.

Fortunately you can still find wanderer scrolls randomly, but its much more of a luck factor than it was in AP.