can we give devellopers a second chance with BOM ?
 

Now the last patch of COD is released and all can see the final result of the game because we won't have any more fixed features exept whit the ones coming from BOM.We are now in front of a stone mile. will we continue to thrust Madox Game and buy the next sequel or not ? what is your opinions guys ? Despite a lack of communications of their part since COD release and after seing all the hard work they have done i think i will continue to give them my thrust and buy their sequel on release day! they proved they have done their best to fixed this game and at least this should be rewarded !! :grin:

YES!!!!

"they proved they have done their best to fixed this game and at least this should be rewarded !!"

I couldn't have worded it any better. I'll be first in line to buy the sequel.

Of course.

Nope. Wont buy anything from them again. This game is still not complete, and the lack of communication is sub-par.

Now, everyone will tell you, they are the only ones making a WWII game. At this point in time, it is true. By the time the sequel comes out who knows what can happen. DCS is already rumored to have Axis planes in the works. Who knows who else will come out with something. And if nothing does, I will continue to throw my money at devs that not only produce a working and complete product, but also communicate with their customers.

My 2 cents.

I do not believe this will be the last update on CLOD.. lets see what Moscow ( I much prefer this scenario ) will do and I'm sure they will have some goodies to add into CLOD in time.

So for the Chance? Yes ofcourse. I actually can't wait to get La(gg)'s and Yaks etc..

Not on the strength of Cliffs, no.

Probably check it out after it's been released and see what the general concensus is.

I couldn't have worded it any better. I'll be first in line to buy the sequel.[/QUOTE]

Sorry i ll be the first :-P:grin:

Short version: I want to buy it, but I won't throw my money at the screen. I will be reading reviews and making sure it looks like a solid release.

Long version: I definitely plan on it - I really enjoy this sim, and even though I have most of the DCS stuff, I play this more. Much more. I've absolutely got my money's worth from this game, and I still have tons more to do (I just got the desastersoft campaigns ;) ). The only thing that's kept me from playing even more is school, work, family, moving houses, etc.

Of course, it'll probably be released a long time from now, and we never know what's going to happen from now till then. And, honestly, I don't really care about the chosen battle the expansion is for. On the other hand, I don't really know anything about it so I might get into it once I read up.

I just hope the series continues and they keep releasing new expansions/games that widens the potential battle fields and plane types. I'm really finding WWII to be the era I most enjoy. The only thing I think I'd like more is flying some P-86's versus migs in mig alley!

-Forged

Yaks are my favourite aircraft, bar none. My level of excitement for BoM is enormous.

But no, I will not be giving the developers the benefit of the doubt. If and only if the reviews are good, the game is reasonably bug-free at launch, and we get some better communication from the developers will I purchase BOM.

Personally I think a change of scenery would be great for everyone concerned. Though I'ld like to see a few lend-lease planes line the P39 though I won't hold my breath.

I hope it doesn't take too long to get the sequel out. In the mean time I think I need to develop my fighter skills which basically sux!

i will for sure not preorder or buy it on its release day.......
i will wait some days and decide than.

Well, having flown most flight simulators since 1985 I think CloD is by far the best now that we have the final patch...

I wouldn't even dream of not buying BoM or BoS or whatever the will call the sequel. Take what we have today, fix the GUI, add more stuff and gameplay options. How on earth could that be bad?

/mazex

Yeah, I'll throw it on pre order . . .

if they throw us a demo it'd sweeten the deal, to have something real.

Why not? Money is valuable, but it rots, throw down on the table, use it or lose it.

Hey they did good with Clod. We didn't think so, long time ago. But now, hopes are like back then with BOB SOW.

The devs know what caused the hang ups in the first place and they won't repeat it and hopefully the publisher will give them some working room.


DCS is good, but its understood, it may challenge CLOD with 3rd party mods, but the ability to release a P-51 is insignificant to the power of the IL-2 force.

For WW2 we go to the source, IL-2, like WW One true blue goes to Jas-one and ROF, bi planes in hi - def.


And remember its the flagship or flag plane,
Insane dive to bomb that runaway train Messers in your lane
key the mike only 3 loads to score to win the game
Came to bring the ultimate sim upon the brain
Untamed, competitors don't like it when I change
fly plane type strange
And I got my eye on you
Deadshot aim, release features keep comin' down like rain

I would of done anyway..;)

i will buy it, although there are still many issues which are annoying in my view...just to support sims...

btw, where did you hear that DCS is going to make Axis planes???that would be awesome!

I'll buy the sequel because I really enjoy flying in COD.

The enjoyment factor I experienced out weighs the trivial problems I've had with the sim.

Simple as that.

2 Patches ago i thought i would by no way pay for another product of 1C. But as things are and if they really keep their promise regarding SLI i may become one of the folks that preorders as soon as a preorder is available. CloD has improved bigtime in the last weeks.

Winger

No.

I will not buy it until alot of the mentioned bugs are taken care of.. period.
And looking at the bug thread, that the dev's are apparently not reading... it may take quite a while.

Not on a bet.

That's what we said about CLOD when 1946 was starting to show its age.

We thought: "Better physics, new renderer, new shaders, what could possibly go wrong?"

+1, there's really no excuse for how awful the communication channels are between the community and the developers.

Hiring BlackSix was but a small step in the right direction.

No pre-order, no first release : scalded cat fears cold water !

I discovered there will be a sequel today. BoM? BoS? What are these acronimes for? Moscow and Stalingrad?

Anyway, just installed the latest patch (18 october) and I can't see impressive performance boost or enhancements.

London runs smooth, but many buildings still show up s brown boxes and THEN the textures and roofs appear.

And I am on a decent rig: 2500k, gtx 570 2GB, 8Gigs RAM, SSD.

So, IF the sequel will be THIS BASE (after patches and hard work) forwarded to a new level with enhancements and stuff, maybe I will consider buying it, after reading reviews, forums and opinions

No preorder and no day-one for me, sorry. That era is closed.

Yes but that was a completely new game- new engine, new assets, new coding throughout.

At least BoM (or whatever) will now have a more solid base to build on- like Ace expansion on FB is a better comparison.

Im buying it.

No pre-order this time! Been playing IL2 since 2003 and this is the first time I won't pre-order. I'll be waiting till it hits the $5 bin. I've got EVE online taking up my time. New destroyers this winter!

I personally would secretly abuse every new patch for CloD to test some new functions (as an example: radio direction) and debug the old stuff at the same time. With that you get rid of old/new bugs for the new Game before selling it. That would make the sequel mostly bugfree and a financial success.

And if there are things that no one should know until the sequel comes out, you write a file with all allowed functions and use it to active only those. What's not written in there, can't be known or activated.

Sure thing here.

I was not satisfied with BoB and I'm not even really interested in BoM but I'll buy it and keep supporting the for:

They did their best they could to fix as much as possible of BoB and it's really looking way better than it initially was and also running smoother.

I'm looking forward to whatever comes after BoM (PT, MT, ET) and I'm aware that that will only be possible by our support and buying BoM when it comes out.

Although I'm not really interested in BoB, I still find it nice to have to make the package complete.

The sim has great potential and I don't see anybody bringing out a complex WWII sim the first 10 years or so.


~S~

Yes, all went nearly pearshaped. Is it like this?
"This was not the end. It was even not the begininng of the end. But it was the end of the beginning..."
Lets hope, that the bright futur of the serie rises now.
But I won't be in the first number to try the sequel...will by it later.

Will pre-order BoM (or whatever it will be called) for sure!

They did a great job , CloD is best flight sim ever. The sequel will be a masterpiece !

Sorry, no thanks.

It must be EXTREMELY good, to convince me.

And there's not enough faith left so see they can do this. But I still hope they prove me wrong - and hopefully offer a more interesting theater of war next...

I've particularly enjoyed this thread. Thanks to one and all. No doubt I'll be reading the same 'wah - I've been cheated, I'll never buy anything like this again' stuff when Moscow is released.


If you really want to fly planes, go buy a bloody plane. If you're really capable - and you all seem to be amazingly talented - do it. Write the most amazing engine. Produce the world's best software.

Or maybe, shut up?

A well worked piece of vituparation, it seemed almost a good idea after the coffee, and boy was there coffee (and emotion?) but then the reality settled down, and the mist rolled in...and the developers ...and the developers...

I will buy it, and hope its as good as CoD, Cod has never not worked for me. its the folks that have crappy computers that have ruined CoD name and reputation:evil:

Sure!

Come surly it rates better than sure stir stir the pot some more :evil:

I'll wait and watch the forums to see how it's been received. I'm very likely to get it after hearing decent feedback.

It doesn't have to be the best thing since sliced bread, but I'm hoping for a bit better from them out of the gate with BoM.

I'll buy in the release day.

Please, show me something better in WWII air combat sim MP:

[youtube]YwYzCNGE5Cc[/youtube]

:rolleyes:

Hello, can you tell me which graphic drivers you are using? Your seeing something COMPLETELY different than I do. The issue raised two RC ago is the shimmer/flicker in the prop, I see absolutely NO hint of that in your video, which I'm happy for you, and its amazing, because when I fly, and look through the gunsight, zoomed or not, I often see a flickering haze. That would not be a deal breaker with the sim, were it not for the fact that the purpose of the gunsight is to shoot planes down, which makes the view through the gunsight rather important.

I'm running a Phenon X6 1100T, 16 gigs of ram, win 7pro 64 and a 3 gig 580 gtx, and I'm running my cpu OC'd at 3.8, up from the standard 3.4 so there is really no reason whatsoever I should not be seeing the what you do, and that is what is upsetting. I have particles on medium, many things on medium actually, and it makes no difference ssao/vsync/AA etc on or off. IF I was able to experience YOUR game play, I"d love the game.

I'll wait and see. If it's just another sandbox without offline gameplay, decent single missions and campaigns I'll wait some more ... and if it's essentially again just a sandbox in which only the usual pointless fighter clusterf*** is possible I'll refrain from buying at all.

a big step in the good direction is the growing number of player online since the release of the two or three patches and more particulary the final release. I think the faith come back but bring another problem we could not imagine a short while before. Yesterday night ATAG was for the first time at my knowledge really full. I tried to come in severals times but it was impossible, 99 peoples were steady playing !!!! In another part i am sure they keep some fixes and improvements for the sequel ,wich will be merged in COD. They have to sell their sequel , so i think they will intruduce a lot of features to restore their reputations . that the reasons i'll buy on first day the sequel.

I'm using 306.23. I have some "flickering haze" when the sunlight hit the proppeler blades in some angles, like in this other video, but nothing that ruins my aim.

[youtube]n0ezPwjh-3w[/youtube]

The performance is very good, because i recorder this "on the fly" with FRAPS, and the performance without recording is much better.

I will wait and see. I do not have confidence in the project management, and indeed their capacity for debacle has been greater than I ever imagined possible.
If the initial reviews are good, I may buy it but I would certainly not give them the benefit of the doubt this time. I also tend to agree with CSThor that without some meaningful mechanics for offline play, it just isn't worth getting.

The only reason I would buy a sequel would be for the improvements it would (should) make to CloD, i.e. weather, comms, bug fixes and other enhancements. I'm actually not that interested in BoM - just a better CloD.

I spend about $4000 on a computer and a 30 inch monitor, flight sim peripherals etc etc etc. Just to play Il2,CloD (had I known the state at release I would've waited a year before upgrading). This program cost me less than $50 and right now (online) is a blast to play. Another $50 for more content is not going to bother me too much. To be honest, if you think $50 (in the West) is too much to play the BEST WWII simulator available right now, you need another hobby.

Yes, we can.

Even if every bug is fixed and every promised feature for CoD is implemented, I still won't buy it if Soviet planes are once again unrealistically uber as they are in IL-2.

"YUP!"
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...4-6711AEE3.jpg

You have to remember BigC the number of people who can spend 4k on a new PC in todays economy are few and far between. I spent over 2k, upgraded my video card twice, and I still have graphic issues which are unrealistic. Many who have spent way less do not have these graphic issues, which mean, of course, major graphic problems still exist, regardless of how much your or I spent to play the game.

I too think it one of the best flight sims out there, however, its lacking in offline play and the devs made us feel grateful that they stuck around for a year and half to complete their project. Consumers should not have to beg or whine to get a decent product, it's expected, well, expected if you want to remain in business.

Im running 306.97, can't imagine that would affect what I see, it could though. I dialed back the cpu to four cores, turned off my OC on the cpu and ran drivers back to the 290 series, but still am not getting the picture you are, quite baffled, it makes little sense to me, I would say even your flight looks smoother with 1 gig of vram than my 3. I've tested my mem, gpu and cpu, and no issues or hickups. Thanks for your input.

Issue with prof flicker is definitely caused by the sun, if I fly at 20:00 hours, when the sun it almost set, I get no prof flicker whatsoever, is there a way anyone can turn down the intensity of the sun? It seems much more blinding now when compared with screenshots I have of much earlier versions of the game.

LoBisoMem, compare your video to mine, same nvidia drivers, 3 gigs vram vs. 1 that you have, and 6 core 1100T compared to your 955 4 core...does your shimmer ever get this bad? Mine is often worse, and rips up the screen. P.s This is taken with Fraps as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAW76...ature=youtu.be

I will not be pre-ordering or buying on release day based on blind faith.

I'd be happy to buy in if they do one of the following:

Release a demo so we can get a feel for it, or as with DCS, open up beta testing for the price of the final product. I'm very happy with the experience I've had with DCS' P-51.

I'll probably buy but not straight away, make sure they don't stuff it. :grin:

Any lowering of the standard of plane QUALITY or destruction details, is one reason I may NOT buy ..

.

People are strange...

If dev team don't "lower" some "quality" we'll not be able to run the game with good performance.

The visuals in first release are amazing, but with HUGE performance hit. Now we have decent performance with good visuals... I miss a lot of "eye candy", amazing explosions, but i want a SIMULATOR, and we need to deal with these things...

I like to play online with a lot of other pilots, and not everyone have high end rigs. And i like perfrormance, because its a COMBAT flight sim, we need fast response.

I really don't know if some people here know a thing about computers and software...

;)

I'm just flying RAF fighters, and i don't have so bad shimmer! Will try tomorrow with the BF and will make a video! It's really bad as I can see! :(

That's a stupid comment ..

If they lower the standard then why buy BOM ?? better just to buy 1946, alot cheaper, far more planes, far fewer bugs.

People like CLOD because it sets a higher standard, which people upgrade their computer to match, like Rome 2 and other quality games. Going backwards smacks of desperation and stupidity.

.

Here is my flight in a spit.much different I think than yours.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ncE3...ature=youtu.be

If I see UBISOFT logo in the game , I definitely will not buy the sequel .

Not a 2nd chance for me since I never bought CloD in the 1st place, but yah, why not? Will wait for reviews and expect more complexity á la DCS before deciding however, but in principle see no reason not to if it's good ;)

I'm a bit in your boat Msalma, I wanted to buy a new computer for CoD (my old one has been an excellent gaming-machine for 10 years, run 1946 very well), but wanted to wait until CoD was stable and I could buy a combination of component that worked well. I guess now is the the time to start looking for that computer...

I'll buy CoD before BoM though, I need my Hurricane fix!

Because even with "lower standard" the new IL-2 series is the best thing out there. IL-2 1946 don't match the experience anymore.

And i'm stupid? I don't think so... I don't see all this "lower standard" in CloD, sorry to say...

ditto! I'm thinking post first patch.

I think i have a solution! Watching your videos, i can compare with what i see here, and if you try to lower the contrast maybe the effect isn't no noticeable like here.

When you hit the water, it´s much more brighter than here, and even in the cockpit lighting the transtion with SSAO is too much, maybe.

Try this! I think will solve the problem!!! Please try this in your monitor, because i think it's just that!!!

Fingers crossed!!! ;)

If it doesnt work, i can see now that your problem isn't only the proppeler, all your graphics presents massive transitions from dark to much brighter. And maybe it's a bug... But let's try!

Your choices are simple.

1. Stick your neck out and buy it to find out.
2. Wait for reviews, especially from this community which will give you far more insight than a one-page magazine article.
3. Don't buy it and close the door on your way out.

I was happy to pay £50 for CoD just as a thank you for IL2. With BOM I'll want to wait until the game is in a good state. If that's at release, I'll buy it then. If it's 2 years down the line, that's when I'll buy it.

Sound advice from Luthier which I will be doing:

Really! Your handle indicates that you are really taking the ssiP :).

There will be no pre-order or future purchase of the next project by me.

I believe that Cliffs of Dover has been left in a very poor state for off-line players. I also believe that the devs have veered towards keeping the online players happy at the expense of the off-liners of late, which could well be a pointer towards the direction of the next project. The (still) poor AI and their lack of interest or inability to fix the radio messaging system is a good indication of that. Credit where credit is due though and I am happy with the engine (graphics) improvements over the last couple of patches except for the lack of real FSAA which renders CloD as an ugly duckling due to the hideous shimmering. Having said that I think the sim in its present state is how it should have been on release.

Also, I have no interest at all in the subject matter of the next project be it an MMO or whatever. Eastern front=already done to death for me personally, I'm really not interested in a 'tarted up' IL2 1946 or any kind of MMO for that matter. That may not be the case but I can't see it any other way to be honest.

I'm amazed that there will be no more work on CloD as I think one more decent patch could rectify the worst of the remaining problems for off-line players and make it close to being the best sim out there. As it is I find it ok for a ten minute dog-fight here and there but the lack of depth and other frustrations kill it for me.

The devs/publishers certainly owe the likes of Heinkill and Desastersoft a debt of gratitude for saving CloD from the depths of oblivion regarding actual content for off-liners. This hasn't been improved on since day one by the devs themselves and is another indication that CloD would always be heavily biased to the desires of the online player. Lets face it, as far as I'm aware it has only been recently that the sim has become a more stable and reliable experience for online players. The off-line content is nothing short of an abysmal joke.

To sum up, as an off-line player I think it should be re-named Cluster**** of Dover. I'm sure many off-line players have already run for the hills where CloD and any future products are concerned and I would hazard a guess that the figure is a good percentage of potential future customers. IMO it is also the devs attitude and lack of communication that has lead to a deep feeling of distrust. The fanbois on here think that Luthiers comments about his 'bread and butter' customers were highly amusing. I for one found them somewhat backhanded and insulting. Looking back I'd say that his heart has never been with the project and although it is not regarded as particularly PC the best way I can describe it is that for him and his colleagues CloD has become the 'red headed step child' of sims, and almost a half hearted stepping-stone toward the next project.

I have 3 copies of CloD. The Russian and English steam versions and a boxed collectors edition. Why? Well, to support the project and hopefully contribute towards continuing work on what should have ended up as the definitive sim. Unfortunately, it was soon clear to me that the chances of that happening would be pretty slim. Close though!

I hope the next project is succesful but to coin an overused cliche, 'Once bitten, twice shy' and as I've already stated, I'll pass on the next effort.

Peace,

Choccy.

God, could you imagine how awful an MMO would be?

Sorry, no MG-FF until you reach level 30. Going to a monthly subscription-based format would truly destroy this game.

Thanks much for your help and time, I've tried many combinations adjusting contrast, brightness, etc, however, no effect, problem persists. As I mentioned, this was never an issue until two RC patches prior, so, when ever it was that that patch came out, the issue arose, I did mention it, even in the earlier bug release, however, I guess no one saw fit to address it. I know many people here have the same unresolved issue, which seemed not to warrant any attention from the devs. Such is life.


Thanks again for your help, no one else has has batted an eye at trying to help those with this problem come up with a solution. My video card is fine, and checks out, I can fly DCS and wings of prey and other flight sims, actually any other game, with no such horizontal tearing to the screen.

Hi Priller 26 I have very similar spec computer to LoBiSoMeM and use the latest nvidia drivers.
Processor AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor
Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Gaming graphics 4096 MB Total available graphics (931GB
and I also dont have the prop simmer you have. Have you tried th reinstall Cod from scratch not sure if it will help but worth a try:)

Hello, yes, I did a clean install, didnt fix anything, Im quite baffled, just does not make sense, worked quite well before the glitch arose, at least a dozen people and one Mod have the same issue, so, I just cant see it being our setup and card, but, at this point, who knows. I'm trying Wings of Prey instead, its not CLod by any means graphic wise, but patched 10 or so times in the last two years and it runs great, so, gotta work with what I have. Im not going to do a complete reformat of the OS just for this game on the off chance something was tweaked, because frankly, it's worn me out, and every other game I have plays smooth as silk with my system. Thanks for your time and feedback, I do appreciate it.

It looks like a vsynk issue. Try disabling vsynk both in game AND in the drivers. (I assume epilepsy filter is off and engine runs with correct prop pitch and mixture, etc.)

Thanks Atros, I'll give it a try, and yes, Epilepsy filter is off, I'm also still playing at non CEM, still learning, so I don't think I have the ability to alter propeller pitch if Im not playing CEM. I'll report back after I make sure vsync is off in drivers, however, isn't vsync supposed to prevent tearing and thus should be ON? Thanks for your help.

Well, going out today and getting a new card, strong enough to power through the worst of the performance issues has certainly made a difference for me. Now that our poor, orphaned, spastic (but somewhat gifted) child has a new set of skates, it's time to take it out to see what it can do... :-P

Hello Ataros, global vsync on or off, combined with game vsync on or off makes no difference. The issue seems to be related to sun and its reflection, that is, the prop flicker/shimmer arises when the sun is at my back, see pics, and only when the sun is at this attitude relative to my flight path. The one pic shows a snapshot of the flicker, which is obviously much worse in real time. Also, when I fly and look up to the sun, it about 95 percent washes out the entire screen. Also, running CEM and adjusting prop pitch makes no difference to this issue

Any thoughts? Thanks for your help.

What card did you get feathered? Im running a gtx 580 with 3 gigs of vram. The game is extremely smooth, almost entirely absent stutters, all but you can see the above issue (sun reflections/flicker) is not abated by a high vram card.

I ended up getting a superclocked EVGA 660ti 2gb. Budget was pretty tight, but I'm satisfied with the result. Very good value for money it seems. The wife doesn't know. :cool:

Hope she doesn't read these forums ;)

confi ini issues?
 

Since the issue is probably one of sun/shadows, are there any values in the con ini that look wrong or could be adjusted? Thanks.....there are other items in the con ini file, I just pulled the ones related to sun/shadow/lighting



[core]
RandSeed = 0
TexQual=3
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=0
Shadows=0
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
LandShading=0
LandDetails=2
Sky=3
Forest=2
VisibilityDistance=3
LandGeom=2
DrawCollisions=1
Water=-1
Effects=1
EffFlags.Light=1
EffFlags.SpriteRender=0
Grass=3
CordEffect=1
UseFog=0
UseLandCube=1
UseLandConnectedObject=1
LinearObjectManager=1
Roads=1
Sun=1
Clouds=1
EffFlags.LightSpritesProj=1
ShadowMapSize=5
TexFlags.AsyncLoad=1
TexFlags.ShowTexture=0

Do you experience any prop flicker/shimmer when flying over land or water, and the sun is to your back? Thanks..sounds like you got a good card!

Thankfully no (looks fearfully over shoulder). Shall report back if I have any news about shimmer etc. just about to head out for dinner. ;)

Thanks..wow..lucky you :)

I'd trust 1C with my money again in a heartbeat, but only after I'd have read reviews and more importantly what people that has already bought the game say. I wouldn't buy it unseen at release-day (or preorder) at this point, but that might change if they impress me enough during the period up to the point of release.

I'll also add that I'm very hard to impress after CLoD, but we'll see what happens. Rome wasn't built in a day, the original IL2 wasn't good at day 1 :P

There should be a "funny" button on this forum!

I think everyone has this flicker in the sun but not that bad. This means it is a combination of ingame, driver and conf.ini settings (might be overheating or low power?). Probably it is a shader or texture related setting. I would reset everything to default, via clearning drivers with drivercleaner, deleting 1C Softclub folder under documents(switching off Steam cloud first to create new config), etc., etc.

Thanks so much, I'll give it a shot later this week....maybe you can walk me through the process a bit..I can uninstall the game...turn off steam cloud, delete the entire contents of the 1Csoftclub folder (cache...everything)....should I delete the 1Csoftclub folder prior to or after first uninstalling the game? I think unisntalling it still leaves lots of old stuff behind?
Again, thanks for taking the time to help with this, I think this and doing a complete driver uninstall/clean may do the job, if not...I'll have to live with it but keeping fingers crossed!

Delete it first and try if it helps. Than you can delete it again after installation. But make sure cloud is off. You can backup your key settings first, but there is a small chance the problem may be caused by this file.

Don,t damm please.
 

I for one will also buy the sequal,just as with forgotten battles,pacific fighters etc,the game just got better and better.
Have faith,one "a little duff game"Should not damm theses guys for ever.
Besides BOM will improve Clod at same time when merged.
People seem to think it wont??????
Give them a chance before damming please.
I know i will.;)

Personally speaking I think the devs have done a great job with the last patch,for me anyway,and once again I am enjoying the sim.

Would I buy BOM?........well,a couple of months back I would have laughed openly at the idea,there were so many problems with COD that there was no way I would have been remotely interested in it.

However,Luthier and the devs have,with this last update restored my faith in them again,yes,there are still small problems but it has now come a long way since it's release state,and the sim is great to fly.

This being the case I still am not interested in BOM as a campaign,but if this new sequel brings with it a whole host of better updates with it,i/e better comms,improved clouds and weather etc,that will enhance COD,then yes I will buy it.

What we need is mod tools, look how much better IL2 1946 was after modding.

This being the case I still am not interested in BOM as a campaign,but if this new sequel brings with it a whole host of better updates with it,i/e better comms,improved clouds and weather etc,that will enhance COD,then yes I will buy it.[/QUOTE]

i think they have keep enhancement and fixes just for the sequel to sell it more easily in great number. :rolleyes:

i think they have keep enhancement and fixes just for the sequel to sell it more easily in great number. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Well.......you make sense.......honestly,if your going to be sarcastic at least learn to speak English properly:rolleyes:

Well.......you make sense.......honestly,if your going to be sarcastic at least learn to speak English properly:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]



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Hello Ataros..thanks for the help..followed your instructions exactly, it did not totally cure the issue, but I think its a bit better, it is still present, but only when the sun is to my back...and I will just live with it. No other choice really, but I do think the reinstall may have helped somewhat. I hope one day when BOM is out, it may cure the issue..till then, I'll just be happy with what i have, as in all other aspects, I do love the game, its true, nothing else close to it out there.

Well.......you make sense.......honestly,if your going to be sarcastic at least learn to speak English properly:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Yes you make it clear that culture is not directly related to emotional intelligence (i.e ability to live

with other peoples peacefully). As far as i'm concerned my english may not be good, still i do the effort

to try and express my ideas on the forum and you can at least respect that. Of course, when you're english

native speaking it is not so difficult to express yourself in english.I hope, the next time you will be able not to offence other peoples. :evil::evil:

I was taken by this sim from the first moment of sitting in a cockpit. The sense of realism was stunning for me. Perfomance on my machine was always better than or on par with IL2 1946. COD never disappointed me. The downside for me is that the group of buddies I fly with could never get past all the negative chatter. Some bought it and were unhappy. It didn't work as well for them. Some just wouldn't spend the money on what was, in other folks' words, an unfinished product. What a personal loss it is to me that it couldn't be accepted!

So, I won't be buying BOM. I"m quite certain none of my group will. It is possible, in my mind, that it might well be shunned by many simmers in the western world. The narrow focus on the Battle of Moscow takes away many aircraft of the WW2 era and could limit interest. My hope is that fans of the genre will rally and keep it going.

I wish the best to all of you here and will keep my eyes and ears open for future developments. I'm pretty old, 72 years, but hope to last long enough to see what happens after BOM. The entire sim world seems to be in a state of reduced activity and has been in decline for years. There just may not be enough money left to make from flight sims in general to keep development going much longer. I do so hope I'm wrong.

Best regards to all!!

COD is a very impressive flight sim game to me as well, I must say ; I wish you all the best & that -using your words - you 'll "last long enough" to see far more than any sequels of COD. :-P All the best !

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