How many non-combat simmers will the Su-26 attract?
 

I wonder how many non-combat simmers the Su-26 will attract.
The whole CoD game costs less now (9 pounds where I live) than some of the better FSX add-ons.

Actually the Su-26 add-on for FSX costs 15 pounds!!!
http://secure.simmarket.com/eaw-sukhoi-su-26.phtml

http://www.alabeo.com/index.php?acci...duct&correl=76

http://www.pcaviator.com/store/images/D/3-34.jpg

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None.

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The SU-26m is nice to fly but not a Spitfire or a Hurricane so it was not for the SU-26m I did buy the game. I hope to fly the next generation of IL2 games with the quality of COD planes, the YAK-1, La-5 or BF-109f2 must be a charm to fly also.

I like to fly everything.

Simple.

And CloD one looks better... and runs better...

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Really?

They get the environment, and a lot of other aircraft too for the price.

Compare the FSX environment: FSX su-26 on youtube -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCdAEX4jSvM


I'm sure there will be a review of the Su-26 before long in the flight sim magazines, and on the general aviation sim sites.

I think it should appeal to a few, at least.

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Three..

No.. wait.. That is how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop!

NM!

I think its quite possible the new IL-2 series will attract civilian air traffic on the large channel maps etc, after improvements are made to the game engine and features. Especially after the SDK allows the community and commercial third parties to fine tune the maps.

They might get a shock playing online.
:-)

Sorry, using which civilian transport planes and which effectively working air-to-ground communications systems? And which dynamic weather? You're thinking maybe 10 years into the future. If BoM fails, the game most likely won't be around then, and most likely won't be the best platform for civilian fliers.

Anyone who flies civilian sims likely already has FSX. You think they're going to buy this buggy piece of trash for one single aircraft?

Yes.
General Aviation enthusiasts are used to forking out money for extras.
I flew FSX until I tired of it. I bought add-on scenery, planes etc.(shockwave WWII aircraft too) spending large amounts of money on my 'hobby'.
I also bought X-plane without flying it more than once. I'm sure I'm not the only fool out there.

As I stated, the whole of CoD is cheaper than one add-on for FSX, and you get more than one single aircraft. The Tiger Moth would interest a GA enthusiast.

Not buggy ones that are barely functional.

Not one of which is modeled appropriately, and ALL of which are subject to the completely bogus physics we have.

Aircraft flying with no tail or no wings? Please :rolleyes:

Stop deceiving yourself.

Tried FSX, the flying experience doesnt feel as good as CLOD. from the SU26 videos it seems that CLOD SU26 is much better than FSX

I have no interest in the SU-26 nor any plasma weapons but, I higly rate the fact that they delivered it, as they had said they would.... ;)

~S~

I expect they would mock the sim and the Su-26 for its antimatter weapons. And rightly so. You can bet your arse that Oleg would never have allowed his product to be polluted by such idiot gimmicks.

I can assure you that there were many real world aerobatic pilots who were anxiously awaiting what was expected to be one of the best aerobatic flight models out there, if not the absolute, bar raising best.

Sure, I own every other sim there is, and use each one for what it does better than the others, but none of them, no sim ever produced does a very good job of modelling edge of the envelope physics as it pertains to aerobatic aircraft. I saw the potential of the IL-2 engine a long time ago, and that is why we were using Fw-190s as our demonstration aircraft, even though "FSX was out", as was X-Plane, Condor, LockOn, and more recently sims like Aerofly fs which is more or less dedicated to aerobatic flying, and day VFR "fun". Yet we still waited for a sim that wasn't a joke in the aerobatic FM department, we hoped the SU-26 would deliver.

At this point, I am unable to try it....and most of my acro friends are waiting on me to give them my review. I'm trying to ignore some of the silly things I see in the videos right now, and I'm ashamed that the thing has Rayguns and crap on it...but whatever, we'll see.

The Rayguns are only an option, you don't have them mounted if you do not want them.

If some real Su-26 pilot can tell me what happens when this aircaft hits a He111 and lost a wing, i'll really aprreciate!

Until then, i'll keep having great fun with this "bogus physics"... :)

By the way, in FSX Su-26 can i do this test too? I don't like the smoke in FSX version...

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It's fun to do silly things with this aircraft! LOL! I'll wait the real aerobatic pilots review to see if the Su-26 FM deserves serious training, to do serious things!

Are you sure? I thought the anti matter guns / ray guns / laser beams, w/e were just an inside joke (Luthier's attempt at humor) You can't really mount weapons to the Su26 in Clod can you? If so, someone make a video.

Is that really what it sounds like in game?

That is awful.

No not sure, sorry, flew it once with external views off...I had a hard time loading my shotgun too. :)

At the moment I'd rather spend a hundred bucks on quality FSX payware than 10 bucks on anything related to CloD.

Your never going to get over the fact the sim was released unfinished are you. Of course it could fail, but they haven't stopped working on it yet. The game engine was designed for third parties to build aircraft, and there will be no restriction on the type of aircraft. Civilian flight sims don't necessarily have to be commercial traffic only. If the sim survives there is nothing to stop the sim from having some effective air to ground communications, and dynamic weather, as both of which are planned anyway. Of course I'm thinking in the future, which should be obvious to anyone, and doesn't need to be pointed out. If it does happen it doesn't matter how long it takes. If its good people will fly it.

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: Cool:

By the way, the Su-26 sounds ok ingame, is really fun to fly, and the physics in CloD is better than in any flight sim i flew. Maybe tme Su-26 need some tweaks in FM, but CloD have a really good flight sim engine.

Some people just need to install the last beta patch and see all evolution in performance, work done in FM and DM, and not just keep focus in negative things.

The naysayers beggins to be more boring than the fanboys... ;)

I hate to tell you that I tol.. Ah nm! :rolleyes:

Yo, some of yous had the bitter pill with your coffee this morning (or night).

Throw it in here cuz the mods won't notice it as much as the Luthier inspired threads?

Easy target, time to take a potshot :D .


wait someone forgot the "ROF can model the SU-26 better than the SU-26 itself or the FM so flippin' awesome it doesn't need Starwars TIE weaponry and the period abomination SU-26"

:D


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I did notice how Clod improves on flying when compared to the FSX . . . shoot I remember in the UBI forums 1946 had a preferred FM to FSX . . .



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short:

maybe a some for novelty. But droves? No. The game's state, computing power required, and lack of mods / user design access such as 'design your own red bull race course' or 'snapping jaw pylon' or Svetlana AI . . .



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long:

I'd say a few dabblers, but not a big movement. The game's issues have been fixed, but the majority of the fly for fun people don't have a system that can handle it or if they did, they'd just get it for novelty.

A fly only sim requiring a modern PC is MS flight, and it did make it out, but it didn't have good reviews, and MS later cancelled further development. X Plane is out but even the latest doesn't look as good as 1946 modded . . .

So most of the fly only people (I'm generalizing) might not have the monster PC for IL-2.

Back to the novelty . . . the fly only people will probably choose something like DCS because you have the shark, the A-10, and the mustang which covers helo, slow jet, and ww 2.

but more detail



A)
well versed with this games history and knowledgeable about PC's (like they know required specs for any game is basically the minimum and overshooting is much win and can upgrade their stuff and rule out wonky CTD or game not running that's caused by UAC or antivirus etc)

And if they have extra cash, they'll try it for a spin.



B)
have a system that runs MS FSX and IL-2 1946 really well, and are actual civi pilots or just love flying only and non combat

they know about PC's but if the game doesn't run after install, they hit up manufacturer tech support

They would google reviews on this game and pass . . .



C) hard core civi flight simmers. they have a beast of a machine, can fix their own pc, and have all the stuff. Or they have a machine that works the best for what sims and mods they want.

They have their tweaked MS or some other flight sim that's modded for their purpose.

These guys might try it but there will be same number of them that are so entrenched in their specific game they won't.



that's my take

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Honestly, the Mp14 doesn't sound very good in real life either....

To your ear Eco :)

I guess it all depends on how different from a tractor you like your airplanes!

NONE, if they cant get the sim to work properly! I dont want new planes, I want the ones in the game to work!

They are working here... with some bugs here and there...

People are boring... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VieBwGpZbcc

Sounds a lot like an F4F Wildcat to me.

Hey SlipBall - you were right. It has all sorts of crazy weapons you can attach to it :)

I forgot about the SP loadout bug and didn't get them to work until I went into the FMB. We actually put a simple Su26 vs Su26 DF map on the 2nd server so anyone that wanted to fire an antimatter cannon or fight on equal footing could have fun.

+1, will test it here soon, when official patch will be released.

For the moment, all I can say, is that Su-26 is hard enough to allow a pilot survive to crashes like these ones (one looses a wing at low altitude):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Rkne4XNTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9hqHbunXI

I've met that guy once, he is Alexander Krotov. He survived both crashes.

I've seen some CoD videos with some impossible maneuvers, all of them involving an excess of rudder control. But we'll see, all of this is adjustable.

Nothing wrong with aeroplanes from No1 Tractor factory Bacau.... is Nice :)

I wonder how many non-combat simmers the Su-26 will attract.
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More to the point, how many non-combat flight simmers are specifically interested in the Su26. And if those, how many will consider buying clod.

If I was a fan of the SU-26 I'd already fly it in FSX. So my guess would be: none.

Some bugs here and there? Are you serious? Particle rendering, dust and smoke, still an issue...fix? Turn down the visual effects. New stutters and sputters in dogfights looking through wonked up aiming circles. The list goes on, and so do the promises and reassurances that all is well and will be fixed. I simply don't believe it anymore. The Russian boy has cried wolf wayyy too many times for my liking.

Tuckie, why are you waiting for official patch?

Llike somebody else mentioned before in other Su-26 thread that will be the last patch for Cliffs and I doubt that developers will work on FM for current planes any more.

Maybe if you give them some remarks as real Su-26 pilot they could fix some things for the last patch because they are still working on FM at the moment.

Beta is easy to applie, and it is even easier to revert back to official 1.05 version.
You can have both versions on your PC and use them both if you have enough free space on your hard drive.

I'm shure that lot of us would like to hear your opinion about FM of Su-26.

Particles... a lot of work to do, but it's much better now. even with effects high.

No stutters here in dogfights, even in MP ones.

The list isn't so big now here, sorry to say... :-?

Priller, i really think you should look for another ww2 combat sim that suits your needs, because, from lots of your post, you are not very happy with CLOD and that is turning you to a very angry man.

Please take my advice uninstall CLOD and leave the forums, you will make yourself and many others very happy.

I do not install betas, maybe I would like to install this one as a special exception, but right now, due to RL I have no time to test anything not to grab a few Su-26 real pilots to do a serious testing... I only flew once the Su-29, which has a different behaviour, but I know some Su-26 pilots that can say something about it. One of them uses X-Plane but not CoD, so I have to manage then to come to my home or go to a home of a flightsimmer with CoD installed. Some of them are 600 km far away from here...

Maybe in a month or two I'll can, but not right now.


If it's the last patch of CoD and something is wrong, it can be corrected on BoM patches, like it was done in 1946, I hope...


A lot of time ago, Oleg Maddox asked me the same, I responded that I could organize a testing, but got no answer. That was short before Oleg exited 1C, maybe he did not respond for thet reason.

If you were a real fan of Su-26 and you try to fly it in FSX, you would run away after a few serious test, so its flight model is really HORRIBLE, USELESS FOR AEROBATICS.

Maybe you are unaware that most of the fans of aerobatics are already fliying in IL-2 series, because its flight model was good enough for a real training. Since a year ago, flight models in other simulators went better for aerobatics, but we still have no realistic Su-26 until now, when it appeared the CoD one and the Alabeo's one for X-Plane (not the one for FSX),


The only adversary for the Su-26 from CoD is the Alabeo's Su-26, but NOT the one for FSX, but the one for X-Plane 10 (which I have also pending to test).

Understood?





Attitudes like the ones I've been reading here are not proper from a real aviation lover, I've seen exactly the same when the guys of DCS delivered the Mustang... Jet virtual pilots did not like the Mustang.

This variety in simulator benefits the competitive developing from various developers, to deliver the best products, and at last, the first to get the benefits are we all. Wherever there are your favourite planes, you can fly them morea and more realistically as every new development is launched.

So please, can I ask for positive comments instead of depressive downspiral negative comments?

Thanks

As far as I know, my job description does not include making you or anyone else happy, I am however allowed to point out obvious defects in the game, whether your or others like it or not. On a positive note, I love the new sound, the sound of the larger 109 shells exploding in the air, the tracer effects, the improvement on the dust/particles. I am upset that just when the game appears to be winding down as far as updates, a MAJOR graphic issue crops up which was pointed out two patches ago and is not being addressed. Maybe you can fix it? I'm not being rude or out of line, I simply wish to have a playable sim. If your happy with it as is, I'm delighted.

A pylon racing mission http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34919

Good news!...originally I was afraid that the weapon pod would always show, loaded/mounted or not. So that was our confusion, pod only shows when loaded:)

I doubt anyone is even close to entirely happy with the sim. How could they be, the sim is far from finished. Everyone wants a playable sim, the devs even more, as their jobs are on the line. The devs with help from the community have a pretty good idea what needs to be fixed and don't need to be constantly told the sim is crap. You can save your crap reviews, for the Steam release, as there will still be a number of issues that be won't fixed until the Sequel.

You cannot judge ANY sounds from youtube vids. They are youtubeified and sound terrible compared to in-game.

Bliss, sure the weapons are real!- And great fun, I may add...

Thank you chivas, now I can sleep better. As far as a sequel, when and if it comes out, I'll be delighted to purchase it after it has been thoroughly tested, works, and meets your approval. Im not about to drop $50 this time around until the game is in a thoroughly playable state. :-P

I'm quite sure almost everyone including myself will wait to see what their trusted reviewers say before buying this time.

You know, with the current state of IL2 CloD, I won't have any problems with preordering it for $50 without reading any reviews. What we have now is the base for BoM. How bad could it be? The game is stable and no more stutters. I'm having a blast online and even offline. Is it as good as 1946 as a complete package? Nope, but good enough for the extra map and planes we're going to get. Oh and not to stray too far off topic, the Su-26 is a hoot to fly and at the bargain bin price the game is going right now it's a steal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxqM73tkwk

Not my video.

Thats cool, and flight smooth as silk!